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Resolved: Trump Era Republicans Are Uniquely Bad in American Political History

JoeMorgue said:
In completely neutral terms, the first President elected with zero prior elected or very high military office experience. We kid about Reagan being an actor or Jimmy Carter being a peanut farmer but at least they did stuff in between that and the highest office of a global superpower. Trump went right from getting Stone Cold Stunnered at Wrestlemania and hosting the Apprentice to POTUS.
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Remember when a State Senator turned US Senator being elected President was terrible, because he didn't have sufficient political experience to do the job? I wonder what changed?
 
When your doctor asks you for medical history do you start at the Big Bang creating the individual carbon atoms that would one day be you and get huffy and pissy when they go "No it's fine you can skip ahead to when your symptoms started."

Not to mention that most things being mentioned ARE totally unique, not just modernly unique.
 
LSSBB said:
Counter examples: (note, I am a Libertarian, so I don't give a **** about which party)
  • Cook County democrats
  • Boss Tweed machine
  • Pro-slavery Democrats pre-civil war
  • Know-Nothing Party
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Could you be more specific? For example, I'm thinking of the brazenness of a president having his own son attempting collusion with Russians in his own Trump Tower and then blatantly lying by saying that does not constitute attempted collusion.

I've never seen such a significantly large group as Trump's base just repeatedly lie and contradict easily observed reality.

Let's also not forget that none of these four examples had the benefit of 24/7 social media to swamp the narrative with their lies, either. That by itself contributes to the uniqueness.
 
xjx388 said:
You could make a case that Trump is a uniquely bad President and I won’t even argue with you. The OP is saying that the modern GOP as a whole is uniquely bad in American History and that simply isn’t true.
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You probably ought to, you know, provide support for your otherwise empty claim.
 
Belz... said:
No, in this case he's actually correct. The claim is regarding American political history. You can argue that the last 50 years would be a more interesting comparison, but that's not the OP's claim.
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Actually, I've addressed LSSBB's complaint and I have yet to hear back from him.

I am standing by my original claim. And please be sure to note: Our 24/7 social media saturation plays a large role. You're gonna have a hell of a time finding that mirrored in our past.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yes. We're past the days where a large portion of the poulation had to sign things by making an X. I realize that it's human nature to exaggerate the negative but since this thread does touch upon actual history let's keep some perspective. My FOX News watching, uncritical thinker mom may not be a brilliantly sagacious intellectual but she's light years ahead of eighteenth century dirt farmers who died of old age in their forties convinced the world was flat.
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Dammit man that was a joke. Just run with it. :)
 
JoeMorgue said:
When your doctor asks you for medical history do you start at the Big Bang creating the individual carbon atoms that would one day be you and get huffy and pissy when they go "No it's fine you can skip ahead to when your symptoms started."
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No because he's asking for your medical history, not the universe's.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Yeah, but post WW2 America is radically different from the 75% farmer, semi-literate, fourth-grade educated America of prior centuries.
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Belz... said:
Is it, though?
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Yeah, all you need to do is watch a few "man on the street" interviews and you'll long for the days of a good solid Forth Grade Education.
 
Cabbage said:
Actually, I've addressed LSSBB's complaint and I have yet to hear back from him.

I am standing by my original claim. And please be sure to note: Our 24/7 social media saturation plays a large role. You're gonna have a hell of a time finding that mirrored in our past.
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My response is I don't care, because I perceive it as a pointless argument over a poorly constructed OP.

Have a glorious day.
 
LSSBB said:
Counter examples: (note, I am a Libertarian, so I don't give a **** about which party)
  • Cook County democrats
  • Boss Tweed machine
  • Pro-slavery Democrats pre-civil war
  • Know-Nothing Party
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Minor point:

The opening point talked about how modern day republicans dismiss "easily checked facts".

Now, something like slavery was a moral failing on the part of the United States (and to democrats who supported it). But supporting something like slavery doesn't qualify as being an "easily checked fact".
LSSBB said:
I'm not seeing "last 50 years" or "moon landings" in the OP.
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No, you're not seeing "moon landings" in the OP. But you are seeing 'birtherism', and the 'clinton murder spree' in the OP. Those are both conspiracy theories... they are easily refuted and do not stand up to even basic scrutiny. But they are both spread by either Trump himself or his supporters.
 
LSSBB said:
My response is I don't care, because I perceive it as a pointless argument over a poorly constructed OP.

Have a glorious day.
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I didn't make it for you, but you're welcome to your opinion. If you haven't noticed, people
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Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: zooterkin
defend Trump by claiming, "But he's not uniquely bad!" I think that deserves a response. You can disagree, but I'm a bit nonplussed at why you feel it necessary to actually whine about it. If you can't defend your position I'd have more respect if you simply man up and say so.

But whatever turns you on, bro!
 
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Venom said:
You started this thread just 3 hours ago, mate. Relax.
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It's been much longer than that (by well over a week) when I brought this up in a couple of other threads---No Response there, either. Just pointing out a pattern and, yes, rubbing it in:
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