Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

[Skeptic Ginger]

Yeah, there is a lot of hypocrisy around concerning violent rhetoric, and it amounts to "It's bad and evil and dangerous when the other side uses it, but it is just harmless symbolic rhetoric when my side uses it".

Only to those who don't understand the difference between using dual meaning words occasionally and incessant campaign propaganda that the government has turned radically dangerous and people should check their weapons and amo supplies.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Via Brad DeLong, let the conspiracy theories begin:


http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/01/i-would-very-much-like-an-alternative-explanation-of-this.html

Larry Silverstein to release a comment shortly...

The fact she was advertising an upcoming event and what kind of "increased numbers" we are talking about here, of course, conveniently left out of the blog.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Loughner was just in court, according to CNN. Apparently he was lucid and understood absolutely everything, meaning the charges, his rights and the consequences. Also, no outbursts. Take from that what you will.

I take that as "lucid" means different things depending on context.

 

[MattusMaximus]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_congresswoman_shot

Shooter is not cooperating at all. interesting.

Yeah, from what I've read he hasn't been talking, so we are still at a loss as to exactly what motivated him to commit this atrocity.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

How have you not been banned yet?

Perhaps not enough of us have clicked "report post" yet. I have.

 

[dudalb]

Only to those who don't understand the difference between using dual meaning words occasionally and incessant campaign propaganda that the government has turned radically dangerous and people should check their weapons and amo supplies.

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[TraneWreck]

Yeah, from what I've read he hasn't been talking, so we are still at a loss as to exactly what motivated him to commit this atrocity.

He's exhibiting a shocking amount of self-control for someone who just did what he did.

I wonder if the paranoia about whatever it is he was paranoid about is keeping him shut down.

 

[MattusMaximus]

If this guy wants to really piss off people he should just never, ever say anything. No one will ever know what 'side' is to blame.

Too many people have already convinced themselves that "the other side" of the political spectrum is to blame, and I fear no amount of evidence - assuming the shooter ever talks - will convince them otherwise

 

[MattusMaximus]

He's exhibiting a shocking amount of self-control for someone who just did what he did.

I wonder if the paranoia about whatever it is he was paranoid about is keeping him shut down.

You know, I was thinking the same thing. The way the guy is clammed up is actually kind of spooky

 

[One Skunk Todd]

I wonder if the paranoia about whatever it is he was paranoid about is keeping him shut down.

I wonder if he knows he failed. I hope he chokes on it.

 

[slingblade]

Yeah, there is a lot of hypocrisy around concerning violent rhetoric, and it amounts to "It's bad and evil and dangerous when the other side uses it, but it is just harmless symbolic rhetoric when my side uses it".

There are also any number of quotes that can be found today, including some from Giffords herself, which state that the political rhetoric of violence needs to be "toned down."

We're not the only ones saying this, and we aren't all saying it's only from one side or the other. Many, myself included, think it's wrong no matter who is doing it, and I'd really like that to be acknowledged.

This broad brush is too damned broad.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thanks for proving my point.

Maybe in your mind, which is convinced the false equivalency is not false, you think your point is "proved". In my mind your reply was not surprising and my comments still stand. Perhaps I should reiterate my point:

The issue is not about using dual meaning words occasionally. The problem is the incessant campaign rhetoric that, the government has turned radically dangerous and guns may be the solution needed.

 

[Denver]

There are so many vengeful things, or insults, or curses, I want to fling at the shooter, but when I think he might be mentally ill, it just takes the wind out of them all.

 

[MattusMaximus]

honestly, since he considers himself to be a revolutionary nut, I expected him to proudly proclaim his victory against tyranny.

"yes, I did it. and I'd do it again. sig semper tyranus!!!"

You are making the mistaken assumption that his crime had anything to do with tyranny or the Big Bad Government. Without him talking, we simply don't know the motivations of the shooter.

Incidentally, not every politician who is shot in this manner is attacked for political reasons - just recall Ronald Reagan and John Hinckley, Jr. Hinckley shot the freakin' POTUS, and it was because he wanted to impress an actress, not because of politics.

 

[MattusMaximus]

I've learned more about brain injuries the last few days than I ever knew before. Apparently you can survive a bullet to the brain if it only damages one hemisphere, and stays clear of the center of the brain. I guess this makes sense, I remember reading about people who had an entire hemisphere of the brain removed as a desperate attempt to stop seizures or something, who did survive the operation.

Ever heard of Phineas Gage?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

He's exhibiting a shocking amount of self-control for someone who just did what he did.

I wonder if the paranoia about whatever it is he was paranoid about is keeping him shut down.

I think one might speculate that his own actions have shocked him in some way. Quite often these kind of schizophrenic homicides end in a suicide. Who knows what happens to a disturbed mind as such an event plays out.

 

[MattusMaximus]

Too bad she hasn't died yet. Maybe she still will so that President Jugears can really use it to his advantage.

Have I mentioned anything about political bottom-feeding ghouls yet today?

Stay classy, bynmdsue

 

[MattusMaximus]

I win.

PM me for my Paypal ID or other options for paying me the $20 that you now owe me.

Bob, has Thunder paid up yet?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Ever heard of Phineas Gage?

I don't think CNN's Dr Gupta meant literally that every cross hemisphere brain injury is fatal. But when he said it, it came out sounding that way.

 

[TraneWreck]

Slightly unrelated, but is this some kind of performance art? Andy Kauffman-style comedy?

I just have trouble believing that anyone takes this guy seriously.