Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

Wow, card carrying republican. That clears a lot up in terms of political viewpoint. Time to put down the "he's a liberal" political football and smell the coffee.
My guess is that he's both mentally ill and super fringe right wing. I may be wrong, we'll see.

His friend that labeled him as a liberal may have done so since the last time he saw the guy was in 2007. If Loughner was a nutty anti-government conspiracy nut during the Bush administration, one might mistakenly believe him to be a leftist since he was probably very much against the administration... or any administration.

With what I've seen of his videos, there's considerable overlap with fringe right ideas, but that could be simple paranoia.
 
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My guess is that he's both mentally ill and super fringe right wing. I may be wrong, we'll see.

His friend that labeled him as a liberal may have done so since the last time he saw the guy was in 2007. If Loughner was a nutty anti-government conspiracy nut during the Bush administration, one might mistakenly believe him to be a leftist since he was probably very much against the administration... or any administration.
Or because his friend meant libertarian.
Or because his friend doesn't know what liberal really means.
Or because the word 'liberal' has been co-opted to be a slur whose implied meaning is anti-American.
 
Oh god I finally found a laugh in all of this.

A former tool-and-die maker, the man who writes his name as ":David-Wynn: Miller" — or, as he amusingly says it verbally, "David hyphen Wynn full colon Miller" — came up with his "truth language" scheme as a result of a frustrating court experience in 1988, when he was going through a divorce. In short, all truth language sentences used in court filings must begin with the preposition "for," contain at least 13 words, and use more nouns than verbs to be effective (he has claimed that only nouns have legal authority). David Wynn Miller considers himself a "Plenipotentiary Judge" in the Unity States of the World, and has named himself as the King of Hawaii, a feat he claims he accomplished when he converted Hawaii into a verb. Needless to say, Full Colon Miller's clients have fared poorly in both civil and criminal courts, and at least one client has been required to undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Miller is one of the few sovereign gurus that can say he has clients in four different countries currently serving prison sentences. Despite these failures, Miller's exotic punctuation scheme is rapidly growing.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/the-sovereigns-leaders-of-the-movement
 
Sarah Palin?

I've only seen one person who might be considered to be directly blaming Palin.

The rest of us, I believe, are trying only to say that her rhetorical imagery, along with that of others as well, is fueling a certain, more violent mind-set in America in general.

Don't conflate the two ideas, please.
 
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Being a skeptic, I'm sure you looked for some verification of this - especially given the lack of any mainstream reporting and the questions raised by some. I haven't been able to find any credible verification of this voter registration screenshot - either version - got a cite?

I did find this (makes sense):

There are two reasons why the document is faked, and one official proclamation that undermines it:


TUCSON is spelled TUSCON. People who live in a city do not mispell it's name.

If you go to the Arizona Independent Redistricting Commission website and put in the address listed on this “registration” it comes up in Senator District 26. This fraud voter reg says District 27. (Hat tip, Brytani)

Chris Roads, Pima County Registrar of Voters, declares that Jared Loughner is registered as an independent. First registered in 2006. http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/article_78272a23-fe75-5bee-ba38-f8171cda3fb7.html

I'll add that the address would seem to be from the Secretary of State's records, not Loughner's typing, so the "Tuscon" thing would make even less sense. However, you posted the corrected version, that now says "Tucson" instead of "Tuscon."
 
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Just got another update. Apparently Jared's parents are barricaded in their home and refusing to talk to the FBI. This is from my friend in touch with police command.

ETA - Something is going down at the house. FBI is in now. Not sure what is going on but will let you know if I can.
 
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Just got another update. Apparently Jared's parents are barricaded in their home and refusing to talk to the FBI. This is from my friend in touch with police command.

ETA - Something is going down at the house. FBI is in now. Not sure what is going on but will let you know if I can.
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Holy mackeral -- what the hell is up with this??
 
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Holy mackeral -- what the hell is up with this??

Without further information, which may be forthcoming, I suspect it's not all that drastic. The FBI wants to get in to look for more evidence, and the parents are reluctant. I think they've already been in, at least once, to find that envelope in the safe. Maybe the parents just want to hide, out of their sense of shame? Maybe they're misguidedly trying to protect their son. Or both, or other.
 
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Holy mackeral -- what the hell is up with this??
I saw an article that implied that the apple didn't fall far from the tree. Loughner dad was not a pleasant fellow according a neighbor.

Now that could be sour grapes on the neighbor's part and the parents are just petrified of public reaction to the fact their son is a murderer of a 9 year old girl amongst others.
 
Apparently she is going to speak about public service and community.

The speech lasted all of a few minutes. She was pretty thick on the religious language, if you ask me. Not that I oppose postponing the actual State of the State, or using the chamber to speak about public service and the community or to use it as a forum to pay tribute to the victims, but saying things like "a moment of silence as we pray," "doing the lord's work," and quoting Isaiah in the context of what appeared to be an almost religious service, well...I didn't like that, not in a state building.
 
The speech lasted all of a few minutes. She was pretty thick on the religious language, if you ask me. Not that I oppose postponing the actual State of the State, or using the chamber to speak about public service and the community or to use it as a forum to pay tribute to the victims, but saying things like "a moment of silence as we pray," "doing the lord's work," and quoting Isaiah in the context of what appeared to be an almost religious service, well...I didn't like that, not in a state building.

Me either. I am no fan of hers. I was just repeating what I heard on NPR this morning.
 
NPR just had a short blip saying the parents were barricaded in and refusing to come out. My friend says the FBI is in now but no other details yet.

ETA - wasn't much of a barricade. Sorry not much detail coming down the pipe.
 
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Loughner was just in court, according to CNN. Apparently he was lucid and understood absolutely everything, meaning the charges, his rights and the consequences. Also, no outbursts. Take from that what you will.
 
Glenn Beck today is spending most of his time playing past violent rhetoric quotes and allusions from people on the left.


Yeah, there is a lot of hypocrisy around concerning violent rhetoric, and it amounts to "It's bad and evil and dangerous when the other side uses it, but it is just harmless symbolic rhetoric when my side uses it".
 
Just got another update. Apparently Jared's parents are barricaded in their home and refusing to talk to the FBI. This is from my friend in touch with police command.

ETA - Something is going down at the house. FBI is in now. Not sure what is going on but will let you know if I can.

Oh my word. This is sad.
 
Via Brad DeLong, let the conspiracy theories begin:

Gabrielle Giffords and Raul Grijalva are both Democratic members of the House of Representatives from Arizona. On Tuesday January 4 the number of hits on the "Gabrielle Giffords" page on Wikipedia began to rise. The number of hits on the "Raul Grijalva" page did not. By Friday January 7 more than three times as many people were looking at Gabrielle Giffords's Wikipedia page than had done so in a normal day in the previous month and a half.

On Saturday January 8, of course, six people were murdered in the course of the attempted assassination of Gabrielle Giffords.
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/01/i-would-very-much-like-an-alternative-explanation-of-this.html

Larry Silverstein to release a comment shortly...
 

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