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fuelair said:
Based on your total input in this post, I do not think that word (delighted) means what you think it does. There is no false sadness in us - but there is the sure knowledge that we have been expecting something(s) like this.

Knowing your enemy is an unfortunate necessity, wanting your enemy to harm your own people or non connected persons is not -
at least for the Democrats/liberals I know- and the short list of conservatives/religious I know and respect because they do not support this kind of thing.
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And there are people on yahoo right now making comments they knew an atheist would do something like this, after all, all those violent video games, and the taking down of the ten commandments, removal of prayer in schools, the easy "me" generation, yada yada yada.

So what makes JREFer's so much more special in their insights into people? Is it because you all don't have biases, prejudices and hatreds yourselves?

And of course there are liberals saying he was a teabagger, and conservatives saying he was a pot smoking liberal. Everybody is doing it. Welcome to the crowd.

Don't think I care. I actually do delight in seeing all the vitriol. Because I know a house divided against itself cannot stand.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
And sad in that when the college suspended the guy, there was no way for them to pass any kind of warning or responsibility on to local authorities. Maybe the school was convinced the parents were responsible to follow up and or would follow up. But again, there just is no system in place to deal with dangerous schizophrenics or people with other mental illnesses. I'm glad the school recognized his behavior was dangerous and got him out of the school. But it seems there was no place to pass the responsibility to after that.
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I agree.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Welcome to the forum! Sorry it's in such a tragic thread. Thanks very much for that information.

I think this is Loughner's ATS thread:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread591520/pg1

Why am I not surprised he was a member there? :(
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All most all posts of erad3 are in the form of syllogisms. The shooters youtube videos also contain syllogisms as arguments. (very strange for me, logic being my obsession). So same writing style.

A post of "erad3 from same thread --

"Is it possible that politicians are taking advantage of the money system?

It's possible to overthrow a government and change the currency."

Was this currency issue of his his primary motive?
 
UWdude said:
And there are people on yahoo right now making comments they knew an atheist would do something like this, after all, all those violent video games, and the taking down of the ten commandments, removal of prayer in schools, the easy "me" generation, yada yada yada.

So what makes JREFer's so much more special in their insights into people? Is it because you all don't have biases, prejudices and hatreds yourselves?

And of course there are liberals saying he was a teabagger, and conservatives saying he was a pot smoking liberal. Everybody is doing it. Welcome to the crowd.

Bullox.
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The shooters videos didn't say he doesn't believe in God. He said 'In God we trust, no way.' in reference to currency and what it says on it. So here goes the spin zone.

And they mention pot smoking but fail to mention what else his friend said about him in reference to alcohol -


caitieparker twitter feed --
@lakarune I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
18 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to lakarune
@noboa more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
20 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to noboa
@antderosa he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
21 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
@antderosa As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
26 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
@antderosa he was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix,The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
28 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
@antderosa He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
30 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
@antderosa I can. That is him.
32 minutes ago via Twitter for iPhone in reply to antderosa
@antderosa I went to high school, college, & was in a band with the gunman. This tragedy has just turned to horrific.

So here we go with more spin zone, when clearly alcohol would be the bigger culprit causing him to be poisoned and drop out of school in 2006.
 
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LashL said:
There's no evidence yet in this case that it had anything to do with politics, though, so can we not just stick to the facts as we know them thusfar instead of manufacturing political crap?

ETA: Six people are dead, a dozen others are injured, and there is no indication at all that it was a left or right political issue, so I really would rather just stick with the facts as we know them, and I see no benefit in proposing political motivations to such a horrendous event in the absence of any such evidence.
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Not a 'left or right', but I see the same thing happening here, politicians who are after a vote appealing to the worst aspects of people, and raising the level of hatred.
 
Orphia Nay said:
Another thread of his at ATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread592730/pg1



Mental illness can lead to conspiracy thinking, but I'm not sure it's proven that conspiracy thinking leads to mental illness.
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I think people like that, their mental illness revolves around what they're exposed to. Maybe it's religion, maybe it's politics, maybe it's 9/11, maybe it's because you were obsessed with a Jodie Foster movie. But those things certainly aren't the cause of mental illness.
 
case#46cw39 said:
Was this currency issue of his his primary motive?
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It is, in my opinion, way too early to speculate about his motive, but he did mention the gold standard in one of his videos:

"No! I won't pay debt with a currency that's not backed by gold and silver"

From "Introduction: Jared Loughner ".
 
case#46cw39 said:
The shooters videos didn't say he doesn't believe in God. They said 'In God we trust, no way.' in reference to currency and what it says on it. So here goes the spin zone.
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He pretty much does when he talks about the mini bible handed out when he was in MEPS, and his religion saying none on the recruiter's form.

His writings are cryptic, so pretty much everyone with an axe to grind can interpret them however they want.

He's a liberal, a teabagger, an atheist, a truther. Whatever you want him to be.

It is, in my opinion, way too early to speculate about his motive, but he did mention the gold standard in one of his videos:
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He is a super gold standard fundamentalist. He killed over the gold standard. Hey, if you hate those damn Ron Paulies, this is the line of argument for you.
 
UWdude said:
He pretty much does when he talks about the mini bible handed out when he was in MEPS, and his religion saying none on the recruiter's form.

His writings are cryptic, so pretty much everyone with an axe to grind can interpret them however they want.

He's a liberal, a teabagger, an atheist, a truther. Whatever you want him to be.



He is a super gold standard fundamentalist. He killed over the gold standard. Hey, if you hate those damn Ron Paulies, this is the line of argument for you.
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Actually he said he left it blank, and the recruiter wrote in none. There were no specific atheist writings as I saw it. He also said as to the future and religion, we will have to wait and see, which suggests agnostic or small faith. Jury still out I guess.
 
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case#46cw39 said:
Actually he said he left it blank, and the recruiter wrote in none. There were no specific atheist writings as I saw it.
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of course, he's like Bob Ross, whatever you want, it's your little world, paint it however you want.
 
quadraginta said:
I didn't miss anything. That's why I quoted it. Your phrase, "he has too much data in him" may sound meaningful to you, especially since you repeat it, but it doesn't present much content that I can discern. Perhaps you would elaborate.

The question I asked was why you believed that torture was an appropriate response for someone who was not responsible for their own actions as a result of mental illness. Whether or not you believe execution is appropriate is irrelevant. I disagree with you, but it is another subject entirely.

Why do you think that dragging him through the desert is going to produce any results that would be more beneficial for anyone?

A desire to inflict purely gratuitous pain is indicative of an entirely different sort of mental issue. This has nothing to do with "mercy".
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You are correct: the pain is not gratuitous - it is meant to be educational. It's purpose is to be able to be functionally certain that the bad person/assaulter/murderer understands completely that he did a bad thing and is known to have done a bad thing. So there is no question at all in his mind about that point when he leaves this vail of tears.

It is pointless to do this to one who does not have the capability to understand the point which is why there I simply propose quick unexpected execution for them.

One who has the capability in their brain of taking in and processing data is another matter and I seek to povide those who do things as noted with an extremely large amount of data to process. Data it will be very difficult for them to misunderstand and impossible not to recognize. Thus, they will learn the intended lesson. I refer to it, in fact, as Terminal Education - because they learn so well from it that they never do what they did wrong again.

You may notice there are no smilies. That means, "NO'" I am not playing games on this.

I also move toward fights, screams and gunshots - not away from them.
 
UWdude said:
He pretty much does when he talks about the mini bible handed out when he was in MEPS, and his religion saying none on the recruiter's form.
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I expect I'll be chastised for arguing about semantics, but a reluctance to align with a particular religion doesn't necessarily make someone an atheist.

His writings are cryptic, so pretty much everyone with an axe to grind can interpret them however they want.

He's a liberal, a teabagger, an atheist, a truther. Whatever you want him to be.

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Considering the absence of any coherent expression in what we have seen of his writings, I doubt it would be possible to describe him as anything other than profoundly confused.
 
I think the fact that the shooter isn't talking and no one can accurately figure out what his true political feelings are and what the motive was for the shooting has everyone shaking in their pants. Everyone is hoping that he turns out the be one of 'theirs' and not one of 'ours'.

There has already been political backlash, the vote on the health-care repeal attempt has been postponed.
 
So he's NOT a tea bagger? Just wondering. Everyone seems to have him signed sealed and delivered.


I would say to all the hullaboo in this thread that Bullseye's are definitely not the same thing as cross hairs of a weapons. I had no idea Palin and other politicians had done this and they should be arrested and fired. If someone ran an ad with cross hairs on Obama PAHHHHLEEEZE they would be arrested. How is this acceptable? I'm sure Palin sees this as a sign from God.

Next a poor child was killed. How horrible horrible. This man should be beaten senseless. This is where stoning is looking pretty good to me.
 
So I couldn't sleep and decided to read the last few pages of this thread.

Now I'm going to have nightmares. Thanks.

Really? Palin's fault for someone with obvious mental problems? Maybe it was politically fueled, but no one knows that right now, and it obviously wasn't the only reason for a disturbed guy to do something so disturbing.
 
Warning! Total speculation that I just pulled out of my butt follows! No more incredible than many other offerings in this thread though.


This kid is obviously not all there.
Mentally unstable. Conspiracy theorist.
Wouldn't trust many people, but if you got him to believe in you (by pretending to believe in him) he'd probably do so utterly.
Maybe this other, older guy they are looking for is the killer and Jared is just the weapon.
 
Ausmerican said:
Warning! Total speculation that I just pulled out of my butt follows! No more incredible than many other offerings in this thread though.


This kid is obviously not all there.
Mentally unstable. Conspiracy theorist.
Wouldn't trust many people, but if you got him to believe in you (by pretending to believe in him) he'd probably do so utterly.
Maybe this other, older guy they are looking for is the killer and Jared is just the weapon.
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Sounds like a typical tea-bagger to me.
 
fuelair said:
You are correct: the pain is not gratuitous - it is meant to be educational. It's purpose is to be able to be functionally certain that the bad person/assaulter/murderer understands completely that he did a bad thing and is known to have done a bad thing. So there is no question at all in his mind about that point when he leaves this vail of tears.

It is pointless to do this to one who does not have the capability to understand the point which is why there I simply propose quick unexpected execution for them.

One who has the capability in their brain of taking in and processing data is another matter and I seek to povide those who do things as noted with an extremely large amount of data to process. Data it will be very difficult for them to misunderstand and impossible not to recognize. Thus, they will learn the intended lesson. I refer to it, in fact, as Terminal Education - because they learn so well from it that they never do what they did wrong again.
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If you're planning on killing them anyway then the "lesson" will have absolutely no use for them. They won't be in a position to take advantage of the instruction. Whether they "understand" anything better or not is also equally meaningless.

The only ones in a position to benefit are the observers. It seems you must enjoy watching needlessly inflicted pain.

You may notice there are no smilies. That means, "NO'" I am not playing games on this.

I also move toward fights, screams and gunshots - not away from them.
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Ohhh! Internet Tough Guy.

I'm sure everyone is suitably impressed.
 
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