Merged Rep. Giffords Shot In Tucson

WildCat said:
Do we know if the bullet actually entered her brain, or did it just fracture her skull?
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Unfortunately, surgeon Dr. Peter Rhee, said quite clearly several hours ago that the shot went from one side of her head to the other and through her brain. If that's accurate , and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise yet, it does not bode well at all for recovery. :(
 
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LashL said:
Unfortunately, surgeon Dr. Peter Rhee, said quite clearly several hours ago that the shot went from one side of her head to the other and through her brain. If that's accurate , and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise, it does not bode well at all for recovery.
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He must have had some reason for being so optimistic though.
 
angrysoba said:
You mean people who are "insane" cannot get better with the proper treatment?
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there would have to be a large team of doctors, swearing by their careers that the person they have treated is CURED...and is now fully aware of reality and no longer exhibits any psychotic, schizophrenic, etc...behaviors. and there was truly little or no chance that he/she could ever have a relapse of any kind.

then...only then...would I feel comfortable with such a person walking the streets.

...maybe.


New York City used to be FULL of folks who committed violent crimes, were given treatment in mental institutions, and set free...not because they were cured and there was no chance of them relapsing, but simply because they were being treated and the treatment made them stable and sane.

stop the treatment..and they go right back to going nuts. did this stop NYC from letting them go? nope.
 
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fuelair said:
Yep, you do. You also need (no offense) to get around more. A lot of people out there and in here are way concerned about politics as they are done and are concerned about the tendency of the baggers and some regular republickers to be talking literally about gun use if they can't "take back" what they seem to think of as their country. If you have evidence of any but some random communist party holder ons somewhere in the US doing this on the Democratic side of things (I know of none), let me know. Local sheriff and others (others not here) have been agreeing on many of those points.

Sorry it bothers you, but .............
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LTC8K6 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA

Democrat crosshairs vid, for those who wanted such...
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That's it... screw you all. Left, right, Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Tea Party - you all suck. Have fun frolicking in the blood of the dead along with the rest of the political bottom-feeding ghouls.

You can all go to hell :mad:
 
Look what I just found on the Democratic Leadership Council web site:


BP_0405_heartland1.gif


Can we stop with the nonsense claim that in politics this type of imagery is unusual or constitutes incitement?
 
LashL said:
Unfortunately, surgeon Dr. Peter Rhee, said quite clearly several hours ago that the shot went from one side of her head to the other and through her brain. If that's accurate , and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise yet, it does not bode well at all for recovery. :(
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Yeah, I heard that. Not good news at all.
 
WildCat said:
Look what I just found on the Can we stop with the nonsense claim that in politics this type of imagery is unusual or constitutes incitement?
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do these targets have any names of politicians attached to them?

no. no they do not.
 
MattusMaximus said:
That's it... screw you all. Left, right, Democrat, Republican, Socialist, Tea Party - you all suck. Have fun frolicking in the blood of the dead along with the rest of the political bottom-feeding ghouls.

You can all go to hell :mad:
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Chill. When a politician is shot, it is VERY often political. It's just not a huge leap to assume so. And when you DO have political rhetoric from one side or the other that is laced with violent imagery, and when it happens in the state that is political nutjob capitol of the USA, it is hard not to reach that conclusion.

But from the look of things, he was just a nut with guns.
 
LTC8K6 said:
He must have had some reason for being so optimistic though.
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When a doctor says they're optimistic about recovery, do they mean brain function, or just not dying? I got the feeling of the latter, because they also said it would be awhile before the drugs wore off and only then they'd even get an indication as to her brain function.
 
Some random comments:

1. While the shooter may have had Mein Kampf & Das Kapital on his bookshelf I'd be more interested to know how often he'd read the books.

2. It's pretty clear that this guy's allegiance was to 'Queen Frag & the mighty nation of Hysteria' (apologies to Calvin & Hobbs), rather than to any conventional political party.

3. I'm hoping that none of the dead/injured got that way thanks to the 'helpful bystanders' opening fire.
 
WildCat said:
Look what I just found on the Democratic Leadership Council web site:


http://home.mindspring.com/~turniton/BP_0405_heartland1.gif

Can we stop with the nonsense claim that in politics this type of imagery is unusual or constitutes incitement?
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There's no evidence yet in this case that it had anything to do with politics, though, so can we not just stick to the facts as we know them thusfar instead of manufacturing political crap?

ETA: Six people are dead, a dozen others are injured, and there is no indication at all that it was a left or right political issue, so I really would rather just stick with the facts as we know them, and I see no benefit in proposing political motivations to such a horrendous event in the absence of any such evidence.
 
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Just to throw something out there that I stumbled across on ATS in a topic about this, is that an ATS member named "Erad3" has a topic, and posting history, that strongly resembles the shooter, such as the video titled "How To: Your New Currency! (Jared Loughner mirror) " where he uses the odd deductive statements and idea of creating your own currency and such.

"Infinite Source Of Currency!?!?" is the ATS topic started by "Erad3" which uses the same writing style of repetitive deductive reasoning. Just throwing this out here, would seem to correlate with the whole 'conspiracy theorist gone crazy' theory of this.

And sorry I can't post links :(

Edit: I think a mental illness rather than conspiracy indoctrination is at fault here.
 
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fuelair said:
Yep, you do. You also need (no offense) to get around more. A lot of people out there and in here are way concerned about politics as they are done and are concerned about the tendency of the baggers and some regular republickers to be talking literally about gun use if they can't "take back" what they seem to think of as their country. If you have evidence of any but some random communist party holder ons somewhere in the US doing this on the Democratic side of things (I know of none), let me know. Local sheriff and others (others not here) have been agreeing on many of those points.

Sorry it bothers you, but .............
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Dupnik is very politically active. He's essentially a politician. So, be careful about using his political rhetoric about this shooting as an example.

He's the sheriff who refused to enforce AZ's immigration laws, called them racist, and said the solution was the November election...
 
quadraginta said:
That's all very well and good, and you are more than entitled to your opinion, but it does not address your suggestion that the proper treatment for a sick person who had committed such a crime as a result of mental illness is to torture them.
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Like another person earlier in this thread, you missed the responce in the last para - only difference was that person also did not quote it. It's the sentence right after the one referring to quick and unexpected for one group. This thing is in the second group - he has too much data in him for any mercy. Any. My standard, not yours.
 
LTC8K6 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqB4tyvxWKA

Democrat crosshairs vid, for those who wanted such...
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I can't find any Democratic Party response. I see the ad was not continued. You can't find more than a piece of it on YouTube, no news about it and not much else except this interesting bit of hypocrisy, his opponent's reply:
Hayworth also takes offense at Harry Mitchell’s new TV ad, which puts Hayworth in “sniper crosshairs”: “Harry Mitchell’s ad crosses the line from being tough to being downright sick… Given the times we live in, putting an elected official in the crosshairs of a sniper rifle is an indication that Harry Mitchell is not fit to hold public office.”
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I agree that was a bad ad. Where's the evidence the Democratic Party embraced the tactic, used it widely, and refused to denounce it when called on it?

No one has claimed both parties don't have their share of crappy politicians. No one is claiming only one side has a stupid fringe. The issue is that the rhetoric embracing a violent response to political discontent is embraced by leading Repubs and prominent voices on the right such as Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.
 
lashl said:
there's no evidence yet in this case that it had anything to do with politics, though, so can we not just stick to the facts as we know them thusfar instead of manufacturing political crap?

Eta: Six people are dead, a dozen others are injured, and there is no indication at all that it was a left or right political issue, so i really would rather just stick with the facts as we know them, and i see no benefit in proposing political motivations to such a horrendous event in the absence of any such evidence.
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Thank you!

I would like to re-iterate, I was watching aftermath streamed by CNN and they were feeding the local station, which talked about visiting the guy's web site and videos containing statements about him self-describing as a terrorist.


Just wait and see, people. Your worldview underpants are showing. It's unseemly.
 
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