Venom
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So this whole thing was overblown?
Remembering 9/11...Republican style
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Segnosaur
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The issue isn't about the entire day, but specifically about the morning.
Waiting until Wednesday afternoon to vote on the budget would have been the ethical thing to do.
Its possible that not all of the absences were due to 9/11 events, but:
- Even just a few being at 9/11 events would preclude them from being there to vote
- Other democratic absences may have been due to government related work elsewhere. Politicians can have multiple responsibilities and sometimes that means they may miss time in house or senate if nothing critical is happening.
plague311
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In my personal opinion, yes and no. No matter where the Dems were at it was a dick move, and they knew it. They did it on purpose because there had been a battle about the budget for awhile. So there was no confusion with regards to what was happening.
On the flip, the Dems are kind of virtue signaling and pearl clutching. "We were just remembering good Americans when these guys cheated us."
TL; DR: The GOP are ********, and the Dems are being babies.
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theprestige
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Pretty much this.
dudalb
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You mean disenfranchise Black VOters and bring back the good old days of Jim Crow?
Silly Green Monkey
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Disregarding the derail about forum management, I'd like to know why the 'Dems' are being 'whiny babies' for doing what Republicans have called 'patriotic' and 'supporting' and you know, showing humanity (or is that it?) by attending memorials for the anniversary that Republicans have been talking up and saying we MUST REMEMBER for a week? And that some were in committee meetings and are included in the 'babies' category for being off doing their jobs when the speaker sneaked in the rush vote?
pgwenthold
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You are missing the point: the democrats need to stop whining about the republicans acting unethically. This is the way they are, and so what do you expect? They deserve what they get.
Because at a certain point if you keep handing a chimp a loaded gun and the chimp keeps shooting you with you stop blaming the chimp.
I get it. The whole "OH BUT UR DA REUPBLICANS AND YOU'RE ALWAYS PLAYING THE PATRIOT CARD" is cathartic. It's also a waste of time.
We've been playing "Gotcha" with the GOP over every one of the 50 bazillion bits of hypocrisy they perform in the average day. THEY DON'T CARE.
plague311
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There was, last count, at most 2 people involved in 9/11 ceremonies that the Dems appear to try and oversell. No one is saying they're babies for attending anything 9/11 related.
You seem to be confused. I'm not saying they were babies because they were doing work instead of voting. I'm saying their babies for the way they characterized and pearl clutched after the fact.
It's a bummer, it was shady, it was unethical, it was completely and entirely within their bounds to do so. As was said before, it won't happen again I would bet.
Silly Green Monkey
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I would bet that it will be the new norm, now that they know they can get away with it. Do you feel represented now?
plague311
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I would have to disagree. After this happened most people are not willing to forget it so easily. I would bet that the Dems will put a scout or a staff in there to make sure they know exactly what's going on. Usually trick plays don't have a tendency to work repeatedly.
ponderingturtle
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When america was great, just ignore the upper income tax brackets.
ponderingturtle
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No it is two confirmed attendees.
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On the plus side think of what they can ram though if they get most of the republicans unexpectedly out of the house? Bang turnabout is fair play after all.
plague311
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Do I even dare ask what you're talking about? I said, "at last count".
wow, some skeptics forum:
https://www.redstate.com/sister-tol...empting-bogus-911-smear-nc-house-republicans/
https://www.redstate.com/sister-tol...empting-bogus-911-smear-nc-house-republicans/
ponderingturtle
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You said at last count two possible that has rather different implications. But yes speaking at a 9/11 memorial is exactly the kind of thing that should be punished for a legislator to do.
theprestige
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http://speakermoore.com/n-c-house-l...-votes-held-wednesday-budget-veto-overridden/
“No one announced there would be no recorded votes from the chair, or by email, as is the standard procedure in the House when there will not be recorded votes.”
“And again, to the contrary, I explicitly announced there would be recorded votes today. Twice.”
“And again, to the contrary, I explicitly announced there would be recorded votes today. Twice.”
plague311
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No, I didn't. Don't misrepresent my posts. It's clear as day in my quote that I didn't even use the word possible.
Since no one has made this ******** assertion, I'm going to chalk it up to lack of reading comprehension.