Remembering 9/11...Republican style

[CORed]

A fake handoff in football pass play is also a deception.

So is a bluff or slowplay in poker. However, I don't see deception as a legitimate part of the conduct of a legislature.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Yeah, but conceptually, how hard could it be? As legislators, surely voting is in their top three responsibilities? Just a 'hey, guys, voting is on the first Friday of every month (or every Friday or whatever). Bag the photo ops and be at work on that day, in exchange for your paycheck. Remember to shave'

eta: also, yeah, 3/5ths of total representatives, at a bare minimum.

Jeez! Read the whole article. One of the top GOPers told one of the top Dems (who passed it along) that there would be no voting in the morning session. Said GOPer actually confirmed that to a radio station Tuesday night but, as he said, "I didn't tell anyone else".... as if that's a free pass.

It was a scam. The number of Republicans who showed up pretty much indicates that. If it was just confusion about the calendar then the GOP members would've been absent, too. They weren't. They called the vote so quickly, several of the Dems who were in the building couldn't get to the chamber on time so the speaker(if that's his title) counted their votes as "against" the override just so they could finish up before more Dems got back to the building.

Smarmy tactics. The NC GOP, were this a civilized country, would be banned from participation in politics for about five years.

 

[ponderingturtle]

People are still using the 'if we don't do X, the terrorists win' rhetoric? Also from a quick reading it appears this has been going back and forth for a few months, so taking the position this was simply an inevitability with bad timing doesn't pass the smell test for me.

If we don't strip the poor of healthcare the terrorists win! That is the republican moto.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Someone tries to defend the indefensible, and fails.
It is sad when blind partisanship makes somebody say idiotic things.

Eh they are fighting socialism so whatever it takes. Think of how awful it would be if they didn't strip health care? No true conservative can think that is right.

 

[Thermal]

A fake handoff in football pass play is also a deception.

So is sticking your finger in someone's ribs and saying you have a gun.

 

[Venom]

The Hill plays it out differently:

The veto override occurred with nearly half of the House's members absent. Many were attending committee meetings during the 55-9 Wednesday morning vote called by the Republican Speaker, and at least one was at a 9/11 anniversary ceremony.

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[Belz...]

The problem is, how is it not?

How should it not, rather.

 

[Thermal]

Jeez! Read the whole article. One of the top GOPers told one of the top Dems (who passed it along) that there would be no voting in the morning session. Said GOPer actually confirmed that to a radio station Tuesday night but, as he said, "I didn't tell anyone else".... as if that's a free pass.

It was a scam. The number of Republicans who showed up pretty much indicates that. If it was just confusion about the calendar then the GOP members would've been absent, too. They weren't. They called the vote so quickly, several of the Dems who were in the building couldn't get to the chamber on time so the speaker(if that's his title) counted their votes as "against" the override just so they could finish up before more Dems got back to the building.

I think you misread my comment.

Smarmy tactics. The NC GOP, were this a civilized country, would be banned from participation in politics for about five years.

A-friggin-men

 

[JoeMorgue]

"Hey we made the decision why you were gone" isn't the kind of thing you'd tolerate if was just you and your roommates deciding on pizza toppings AND you weren't the one who told the roommates that you super seriously pinky swore promise not to order the pizza why they were in the bathroom and then went ahead and did it anyway.

 

[Beerina]

Another thing that should be done away with. They are paid to represent, and should be required to be present at all votes, even if abstaining. Barring emergencies and the like, of course.

The problem was known and solved long before the US was created. This is why the sergeant at arms in states and the US Congress is authorized with the odd and rarely-used power to compel the appearance of members.

Fixing fleeing to another state, where the sergeant has no legal power, would require some kind of mutual extradition-like agreement.

 

[theprestige]

Jeez! Read the whole article. One of the top GOPers told one of the top Dems (who passed it along) that there would be no voting in the morning session. Said GOPer actually confirmed that to a radio station Tuesday night but, as he said, "I didn't tell anyone else".... as if that's a free pass.



It was a scam. The number of Republicans who showed up pretty much indicates that. If it was just confusion about the calendar then the GOP members would've been absent, too. They weren't. They called the vote so quickly, several of the Dems who were in the building couldn't get to the chamber on time so the speaker(if that's his title) counted their votes as "against" the override just so they could finish up before more Dems got back to the building.



Smarmy tactics. The NC GOP, were this a civilized country, would be banned from participation in politics for about five years.

It's way worse than smarmy.

 

[autumn1971]

Every ******* one of them should be removed from office and whatever retirement benefits/pensions they've earned in their seat should be stripped immediately.

You are much more generous than the I would be to these sub-human scum.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Remember all these declarations of high value in principles the next time the shoe is on the other foot.

I don't recall too many screaming about gaming the system when state legislators flee to another state to deny a quorum for a vote.

Scummy is as scummy does.

I can see why you don't get the difference. The GOP in TX was redistricting in between decade censuses, something never done, so they could gerrymander more districts and shift control of Congress.

This began a decades long era of GOP cheating: GW Bush's firing of the 8 state AGs who would not prosecute for political reasons, voter caging, purging the voter roles in FL of anyone who had the same name as a felon.

Then we had McConnell pulling a bull **** move re the SCOTUS. And now this.

The GOP is revealing just how much of our checks and balances government was dependent upon people voluntarily acting ethically.

Denying a quorum in a desperate effort to stop unethical gerrymandering is hardly the same as calling a vote knowing legislators that had a right to vote wouldn't be there is not even close to the same thing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Another thing that should be done away with. They are paid to represent, and should be required to be present at all votes, even if abstaining. Barring emergencies and the like, of course.

That's like saying someone who broke the window of a car to rescue an overheated dog broke the law.

This GOP cheating will not end well.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Rather than forcing them, you can let their constituents decide if the behavior is acceptable.

Riiight. The whole point of gerrymandering was to keep the minority in power.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

It's preferable that laws pass or don't pass based on something other then childish procedural tricks. We don't have to break out the Polysci 101 chart.

Legislative equivalents to "There's nothing in the rulebook that says a Golden Retriever can't play football!" do us no favors, not from the perspective of our freedom, not from the perspective of our security, not from the perspective of more or less government ideologies.

Even if you think it should be harder for the government to pass laws, "neiner neiner move your feet, lose your seat" is not the answer.

This ^

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

In the past, that wasn't necessary... both sides recognized that the needed to act civil, respect the processes that were in place, etc.
Now that the republicans have basically peed in the pool with their dirty tricks, and showed themselves to be completely untrustworthy, it looks like they might need to enact those type of rules.

The negative part is that it does limit the flexibility of the government... if an issue requiring immediate attention comes up, you might find they need to wait a week or month for one of the voting days, despite any problems such a delay might cause.

This ^

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Jeez! Read the whole article. One of the top GOPers told one of the top Dems (who passed it along) that there would be no voting in the morning session. Said GOPer actually confirmed that to a radio station Tuesday night but, as he said, "I didn't tell anyone else".... as if that's a free pass.

It was a scam. The number of Republicans who showed up pretty much indicates that. If it was just confusion about the calendar then the GOP members would've been absent, too. They weren't. They called the vote so quickly, several of the Dems who were in the building couldn't get to the chamber on time so the speaker(if that's his title) counted their votes as "against" the override just so they could finish up before more Dems got back to the building.

Smarmy tactics. The NC GOP, were this a civilized country, would be banned from participation in politics for about five years.

This ^

 

[eeyore1954]

In memory of the tragedy of 9/11, people all over the country are going to memorials and whatnot.

That's what democratic legislators in North Carolina did.

And while they were gone, republican leadership called a surprise vote to override the governor's veto of a budget bill. With all the opposition out, they were able to override the veto.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article234962017.html

Come on, someone try to defend it.

If that is what happened it was pretty low but who knows... republicans are not the only ones who might misrepresent something.

The Associated Press reported that the office of Republican Speaker Tim Moore provided audio from Tuesday’s floor session of Lewis saying that recorded votes would happen Wednesday.

Republicans also disputed the claim by the governor and other Democrats that many of them were attending events remembering 9/11 victims and first responders. Local news reports said only one or two Democrats claimed to have been attending a 9/11 memorial at the time of the vote.

Some headlines suggested that Democrats were at events commemorating the 9/11 attacks — the vote was taken at roughly the same time as the national moment of silence. But The News & Observer has confirmed only two Democrats attended 9/11 events.

One was Cooper, who spoke at the North Carolina National Guard’s Sept. 11 commemoration in Raleigh.

The other was Rep. Garland Pierce, a Scotland County Democrat, who says he attended an event in Raeford.

 

[plague311]

If that is what happened it was pretty low but who knows... republicans are not the only ones who might misrepresent something.

The Associated Press reported that the office of Republican Speaker Tim Moore provided audio from Tuesday’s floor session of Lewis saying that recorded votes would happen Wednesday.

That was never contested. When those votes would take place is the issue here.