Reference in the koran, please?

[JamesM]

I think you know the reason why you was unable to find a freely-available searchable English translation of the Talmud,

I assume you mean it's because that list of alleged quotes from Jewish law is genuine (kosher? yeah, cheers). I can think of other, less sinister reasons, such as people wanting to make money from their work. Would you grant that that's a possibility?

"Alleged" Racism in the Talmud, how the Talmud describes the Christianity, Immorality in the Talmud, and many others …..?

You appear to have already made your mind up. Wouldn't you agree that the fact it's hard to get a translation of the Talmud on the internet is merely preventing us from easily verifying those quotes, and is not evidence that the quotes are true?

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[Baker]

We are speaking about different things here.

The story you are posting links to are about people defined as terrorists even in Saudi Arabia, not about how Saudi Arabia is ruled or how people are punished when they commit crimes.

This is from the Ammnesty International link you provided.

More than 1,100 people have been executed in the past 20 years, according to reports received by Amnesty International, although the true total is probably far higher. It is almost certain that all were sentenced to death after secret and summary hearings and with no meaningful appeal.
http://www.amnesty.org/ailib/intcam/saudi/briefing/8.html

My questions to you were:

How come the majority of muslims don't punish people according to the sharia if they all agree they want to?

Does this answer your question?
This isn't all of them of course I just got the Arab Nations.


Yemen
http://www.austarab.com.au/Yemen/Yemen_constitution.html
The system of law is based on Islamic law. The commercial law is influenced by English common law principles. The death penalty is in force.


Algeria
The judicial system is based on French and Islamic traditions and socialist principles. The Supreme Court also has a constitutional role as the Council of State
http://www.austarab.com.au/Algeria/Algeria_constitution.html

Bahrain
The judicial system is codified on the basis of English jurisprudence and Islamic law. The death penalty is nominally in force.
http://www.austarab.com.au/Bahrain/Bahrain_constitution.html

United Arab Emirates
The UAE law system is based on Islamic legal principles, with introduction of some secular codes, but in practice they are interpreted differently by the local courts in different emirates. Abu Dhabi has a Ruler’s Court presided by a professional judge and the court in Dubai is run by a qadi (Islamic legal expert); the rulers in other emirates deal with legal issues themselves. The death penalty is in force.
http://www.austarab.com.au/UAE/UAE_constitution.html

Sudan
The system of law was substantially based on the English common law, with the judiciary as separate and independent authority. Since the 1980s the Islamic (Sharia) law was reintroduced.
http://www.austarab.com.au/Sudan/Sudan_constitution.html

Saudi Arabia
The legal system is based on Islamic law. The judiciary consists of religious courts with a chief judge as head, responsible for the Department of Shar’iah (legal) Affairs. Shar’ia courts are primarily concerned with family inheritance and property matters. The death penalty is in force for murder, robbery with violence, adultery and drug offences.
http://www.austarab.com.au/Saudi_Arabia/Saudi_Arabia_constitution.html

The War on Women
http://hrw.org/editorials/2002/women0822.htm

Slavery and Slave Redemption in the Sudan
http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/africa/sudanupdate.htm

How come Genghis Jedi wasn't killed during his year-long stay and discussions on Islam?

You would have to ask him that and how do you know he is JK?
I don't think even JK is that obsessed with Islam.

Baker, my sceptisism isn't about conservative religious people being stupid (christians or muslims, they are). However, the majority of muslims are very far from the picture you and some others on this board try to paint.

I whish you where right but Islamic studies dominate their education.
The Islamic war manifesto is preached to them in every mosque. Islam's war against the infidels is the lead story on the state-controlled media outlets. Terrorists are turned into martyrs and idolized. In other words, the citizens of every Islamic state are indoctrinated. They are told what to think, what to believe, what to do.

 

[Bjorn]

Baker,

I deliberately skipped your comments about death penalty - unless you claim that it is a specific sharia punishment.

More in line with sharia laws is the question: In which of the countries above are infidels killed for being infidels?

 

[DrBenway]

More in line with sharia laws is the question: In which of the countries above are infidels killed for being infidels?

I'm too tired at the moment to read all I've missed here today...

As far as I know, Islamic law doesn't recommend killing people solely for being non-Muslim. How would that be at all practical? Where would the new converts come from?

I think people get in trouble in Islamic countries if they try to openly practice non-Muslim faiths, or if they challenge or criticize Islam or Muslim leaders. So long as the infidels keep a low profile, they're treated fairly hospitably.

But the western world is like an avalanche coming down upon the Muslim world, thanks to those satellite dishes popping up between the rocks. Allah says, "This town ain't no longer big enuff for me and all you damn infidels!"

 

[Baker]

Baker,

I deliberately skipped your comments about death penalty - unless you claim that it is a specific sharia punishment.

More in line with sharia laws is the question: In which of the countries above are infidels killed for being infidels?

Did you not notice all of the nations listed have a system of law that is based on Islamic law.

 

[Bjorn]

Did you not notice all of the nations listed have a system of law that is based on Islamic law.

The first question in this thread was:

I have just recently started to read the Koran. Since I have not read that far into it, I haven't found the places where it specifically tells Muslims to kill all infidels.

You and others have tried to point out that the Koran tells the Muslims to do so.

Further, you and others have claimed that a whole bunch of countries are ruled by Islamic law.

My question is, again: If both of your statements are true, how come they don't kill infidels?

 

[Baker]

The first question in this thread was:

You and others have tried to point out that the Koran tells the Muslims to do so.

Yes that’s correct

Further, you and others have claimed that a whole bunch of countries are ruled by Islamic law.

Yes as I have showed you in my last post the site was the from the Arab League.

My question is, again: If both of your statements are true, how come they don't kill infidels?

How many Muslim Governments are it’s not always easy to determine they don’t publicly announce to the non-Muslim world.
Many us terrorist around the world to kill Infidels

 

[Tony]

 

[P.S.A.]

Time for another simple point;

How old a religion is Islam? How old is Christianity? And more importantly, has Christianity always been peaceful, and Islam always violent?

Or are we all falling for the fallacy of being history's true fulcrum again? 'Everything as it is right now, is it's true nature....'

(Oh, and we'll accept Christian's claims of Jesus superceding Mosaic law when they take the Old Testament out of their Bible's, and stop quoting from it in their sermons.)