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Racism or misunderstanding?

...If the roles were reversed and the ref had of said " the white guy" everyone would be happy he was so clear and concode...

If he said 'the white one'. as in the OP, still happy?

Not sure why, but 'one' feels solidly wronger.
 
So you would yell across the room and interrupt Terry's conversation.

Terry was just talking to Rachel and Josh about their tennis match last week, he can catch up with them later.

I mean, we can just keep making up **** in this hypothetical, right?
 
Terry was just talking to Rachel and Josh about their tennis match last week, he can catch up with them later.

I mean, we can just keep making up **** in this hypothetical, right?

I don't think you are being sensitive to Terry's gender fluidity. Did you check xer desk to see how xe identifies today?
 
Again, you've changed it from 'which one's Bob?'. 'Oh, he's the tall one'.

Bob is on the left. Bob is talking to Kathy. Bob is by the fax machine. (Is that last on ageist?)


Ways that are going to resonate with someone that's never met Dave?

"Oh, he's the dilligent one"?

Dave is the tax expert who was just telling us about his boring plan to save the company millions of dollars over the next decade.

Dave sits next to Nancy in finance.

Dave, oh you'll know when you've met Dave!


I just don't know how I'd do that consistently. "Who's this person who's signed this email? Which one's he?" is something I can normally only anwer with a physical description. I'd find it weird and difficult to do otherwise.

And yet, here I am saying that you can do something that you have never done before. You can think of me as a crank or you can take it as a fun game. It is a bit weird at first, but I've been doing it so long it is a bit jarring when other don't.

The worst is my mother. She can't tell a story about anyone without commenting on their heritage. In fact, if their heritage is complex she never even gets to the story.

Again, I'm not talking about defining someone, I'm not talking about it becoming their moniker, just the whole 'which one's x' thing.

Yep, I know. And I'm not talking about what you say to your friends or at the bar or in your family. I'm just talking about a professional setting. It seems unprofessional to me to refer to another professional by their physical characteristics in a professional setting.

As I say, what people look like is how we know who they are. Hell, you've probably worked with a Mr Little, or a Miss Short. Names derived direclty from the physical appearance of whoever their ancestor was when surnames became required.

The funny thing is that how people look has little to do with who they are and how we know who they are. Especially in a professional setting.

I worked with a guy who had a somewhat common name. I was at a function and someone asked me if I knew someone of that name and I answered that I did and he was very good at topic X. The person agreed that they were expert at topic X and then clarified that the guy they were talking about was morbidly obese. Oh, no, the guy I work with is a huge health nut. Different guy.

Later I found out we were talking about the same person. He was once morbidly obese and he was now a health nut. If we had stayed away form the physical description we would have known we were talking about the same person, because his field of expertise was pretty niche. But, because we relied too much on the physical description we ended up wrong.
 
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I don't think you are being sensitive to Terry's gender fluidity. Did you check xer desk to see how xe identifies today?

Terry gets pissed when people assume he is gender fluid just because he is bisexual. But he's too cool to actually correct you. Dude is just the chillest.
 
Terry gets pissed when people assume he is gender fluid just because he is bisexual. But he's too cool to actually correct you. Dude is just the chillest.

Classic Terry. Not like Josh, who barks 'oh is that because I'm a Jew? every time you offer him a bagel. Man, I just about had it with our office drama.
 
If you think calling her a girl was just a simple physical description, you likely missed her point entirely. Unless she finished university at a very young age, she certainly wasn’t a “girl”. Any adult woman is likely to be insulted by being called a girl, or even treated like a your girl even if you don't call her one.

To the old guys in that office we were all "the kids". That didn't bother her, just when they singled her out by gender. Girl, young lady, young woman, etc. She was an engineer with an overpriced degree and student loans to pay. She just moved through it until she could move on. But once she told me about it I started noticing it and it sort of stuck with me.

Another person I worked with about a year later was very skinny and the overweight middle aged folks in the office that were jealous would often comment on that. What they didn't know is that their coworker had massive gastrointestinal issues that meant they really couldn't gain weight, not matter how much they wanted to and they hated being called skinny or being reminded of the fact that they could not put on weight.

Over time you have enough of these experiences and you realize that very innocent comments about other people's physical attributes are not always innocent to them. They don't want to be known as the skinny one, or the female one, or the black one, or the bald one. They just want to be known or not known, move on.

In a professional setting this shouldn't be a huge ask.

But again, that is off topic because the OP is about soccer, not a professional sport.
 
Classic Terry. Not like Josh, who barks 'oh is that because I'm a Jew? every time you offer him a bagel. Man, I just about had it with our office drama.

Don't even get him started on what qualifies as a bagel. Such a purist. His own mother, bless her heart, couldn't make a proper bagel by his standards.
 

It's my bit as a boorish American who thinks soccer is a second rate sport.

But it's just a bit. The only tickets to professional sports that I've purchased in the last ten years were to Soccer matches. Women's to be precise.
 
If he said 'the white one'. as in the OP, still happy?

Not sure why, but 'one' feels solidly wronger.

Agreed. The black one seems far worse than the black coach or the black assistant, but I'm not sure why.
 
It's my bit as a boorish American who thinks soccer is a second rate sport.

But it's just a bit. The only tickets to professional sports that I've purchased in the last ten years were to Soccer matches. Women's to be precise.

Come clean. Lingerie Match?
 
It goes over better if you say "the ridiculous masculine good looking black man". Smooths it over.

That's my daily attempt at humor. Take it as you will.

What I wouldn't pay to work with Terry Crews.

Sorry, give me a minute.
 
Classic American inferiority complex regarding the world's most popular sport by at least an order of magnitude. No matter how much marketing money is spent or how much commercial media around the world would love it become popular, the world keeps rejecting American "football".

Finally, you post something we can agree on. Thanks!
 

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