Questions for Jesus-Freak

edge said:
Meaning that God made all provision necessary for our survival whatever the out come falling or not.
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This is in direct conflict with the claim that the Judeo/Christian/Muslim god is omniscient. His making all provisions for any possible outcomes suggests that God did not know what that outcome would be. If God is really omniscient then he would not need to conduct experiments to see what would happen and he would not have to prepare for unknown outcomes.
 
Beleth said:
This is Creationist Claim CB901, " No case of macroevolution has ever been documented."

For a complete refutation, I leave it to the reader to click on the link provided.
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To be fair, the link provided is an explanation, but not a refutation. The link explains why evolutionary theory does not predict visible examples of macroevolution. It does not refute the assertion that there is no documented case of macroevolution.

ETA: There are lots of documented cases of transitional forms, which are best explained as macro-evolution, but that isn't what edge was asking for.
 
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jesus_freak said:
Well I beleive in a young eath...that it is around 10,000 years old, as far as I know all those other "humans" supposedly became extinct roughly 30,000 years ago...So I guess to answer your question I do not think they are related to us no.
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Okay, Jesus Freak, I have a question:

If the Earth is 10,000 years old, do you believe that the entire universe is that old, too?

If so, then how do you explain the speed of light, and how a lot of those galaxies visible to us are millions of light-years away?
 
Meadmaker said:
To be fair, the link provided is an explanation, but not a refutation. The link explains why evolutionary theory does not predict visible examples of macroevolution. It does not refute the assertion that there is no documented case of macroevolution.
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Point 3 does, and point 5 does indirectly.

ETA: There are lots of documented cases of transitional forms, which are best explained as macro-evolution, but that isn't what edge was asking for.
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I was responding to JF, not edge. I cannot help if either of them are misunderstanding the term, or looking for evidence of a phenomenon which is entirely outside the theory of evolution. All I can do is attempt to illuminate.
 
If the Earth is 10,000 years old, do you believe that the entire universe is that old, too?

If so, then how do you explain the speed of light, and how a lot of those galaxies visible to us are millions of light-years away?
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Some where around there I would guess, I don't know for sure...and again I don't claim to know everything...I think that the little 5%,or whatever it is, of our brain that we use is not capable of understanding .0000001% of all the things that God has done. I think that someday we will be able to understand and fully see all that He has done and how and why and it will make complete sense, but untill then we just need to trust His Word and I will admit that it takes some blind faith to do that, but the more and more that we learn in science it has just backed up what the Bible has always said for the most part. Remember scientific theories change but His Word does not.
 
jesus_freak said:
Some where around there I would guess, I don't know for sure...and again I don't claim to know everything...I think that the little 5%,or whatever it is, of our brain that we use is not capable of understanding .0000001% of all the things that God has done.
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Just to let you know, the claim that we "only use a small percentage of our brains" is bad science. You do use all of your brain, just not necessarily at any one time. Each portion of your brain takes up a variety of tasks.

I think that someday we will be able to understand and fully see all that He has done and how and why and it will make complete sense, but untill then we just need to trust His Word and I will admit that it takes some blind faith to do that, but the more and more that we learn in science it has just backed up what the Bible has always said for the most part. Remember scientific theories change but His Word does not.
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Scientific theories change because more data comes in to either disprove old theories, or edit existing theories. This is not something that is bad. Blind faith, however, as it does not allow the possibility to be wrong or to correct itself when shown to be wrong, is bad.

However, you did not fully answer my question. Do you dispute the claim of the distance of far-off galaxies? If galaxies are older than Earth, then they were not created in the same time that Earth was created. If they are the same age as Earth, then that does not stand up to any kind of evidence that is available. Do you agree or disagree?
 
Well, God could have created humans to look exactly as if we evolved, and He could have created the universe to look like it was billions of years old when in fact it is only 10,000 years old, and God could have created the universe with light from his new galaxies already en route and showing us just what those galaxies would have looked like if they were in fact giving off light millions of years ago.

You simply cannot win that discussion. If the Bible says the world is 10,000 years old and God can do anything, then that's the way it is. End of discussion.

So really the only thing we have to fall back on in the end is common sense....
 
jesus_freak said:
I will admit that it takes some blind faith to do that, but the more and more that we learn in science it has just backed up what the Bible has always said for the most part.
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But not what's written in Genesis, right? You don't think science backs up a 7000 year old earth, and separate creation of each 'kind' of plant or animal (including humans) etc. do you? If you do, you haven't been paying attention.
Remember scientific theories change but His Word does not.
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There used to be a poster here who said that kind of thing all the time, except that I think he was a Hindu and a believer in Dr. Schuessler's Cell Salts.
 
jesus_freak said:
Some where around there I would guess, I don't know for sure...and again I don't claim to know everything...I think that the little 5%,or whatever it is, of our brain that we use is not capable of understanding .0000001% of all the things that God has done.
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That may be all you use, but others are accustomed to working the brain a little harder.
I think that someday we will be able to understand and fully see all that He has done and how and why and it will make complete sense, but untill then we just need to trust His Word and I will admit that it takes some blind faith to do that,
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Read back to yourself what you just said. Faith is not understanding. So what you have said, in short, is that because we cannot understand everything, we should not even try.
but the more and more that we learn in science it has just backed up what the Bible has always said for the most part.
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You must be joking. Can you present any actual facts that corroborate this statement?
Remember scientific theories change but His Word does not.
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Presumably if you're a bible believing Christian, you acknowledge that there are other religions which hold beliefs contrary to yours. They also have not changed. Is lack of change a real criterion for truth? If, as you say earlier, our understanding is incomplete, but some day we will understand, how is this to be accomplished without learning something new?
 
RationalReverend said:
I have seen more unbridled arrogance and snobbery on this board than I have seen anywhere on the internet, and I post on forums dedicated to combative sports where egos abound.
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This is a forum that specifically challenges the mentally ill.

Welcome to the Internet.
 
Universe: ~14 billion
Earth ~4.5 billion
Primitive life ~3 billion
Homo Sapiens ~250,000
 
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jesus_freak said:
I will admit that it takes some blind faith to do that, but the more and more that we learn in science it has just backed up what the Bible has always said for the most part.
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Actually, no. That is not what is happening - not "for the most part," not even a little bit.



jesus_freak said:
Remember scientific theories change but His Word does not.
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At last we come to something we all agree upon. Unfortunately, we disagree about what to do with that bit of knowledge.
 
Ladewig said:
Universe: ~14 billion
Earth ~4.5 billion
Primitive life ~3 billion
Homo Sapiens ~250,000
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BTW: Domestication of the Dog: 15,000 years ago. Domestication of wheat: 10,000 years ago.

Creation according to many Christians: 10,000 years ago.
 
Jesusfreak, i'd like to hear your response to my question about the Neanderthals.

conventional scientific thinking says that the Neanderthals were capable of spoken language. Since you don't think that species is related to us, do you think a species with that capability could have existed?

Or are you open to the notion that the neanderthals are in fact a distant relative of ours?
 
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