Questions about Hyperinsulinemia/Diabetes

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

I feel this thread has become too long to read, understand & continue. So, I am just leaving. I can/may now discuss in other threads.

Thanks for the contributions & play which you enjoyed in science thread.

This thread CLOSED from my side. Bye here.

Goshawk played a pram and K throws his toys out of it. He's still in Nib anyway.

Bethnal Green

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Am I the only one getting the impression that Kumar is playing by the International Rules instead of Jakarta?

Rebel colonial throws...a baby stroller! Yes! And...I double!

I believe that's known as a Double Pram across the pond. I couldn't have done that if we were playing International.

Oh, sorry--Heathrow Terminal 4. NO rental car. I refuse to yield, being a rebel colonial and all.

 

[Zep]

So! A SERIOUS player in Goshawk, I see! Excellent! [rubs hands together, cackles]

Avoiding Nib AND Huff, I use my seniors card again (thereby nullifying the Not Available Monday or Tuesday P.M. sign), throw for the widget, and go to...

Northolt!


(Used to be an old RAF fighter drome, didn't it? Wonder if that carries any bonus points...)

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

So! A SERIOUS player in Goshawk, I see! Excellent! [rubs hands together, cackles]

Avoiding Nib AND Huff, I use my seniors card again (thereby nullifying the Not Available Monday or Tuesday P.M. sign), throw for the widget, and go to...

Northolt!


(Used to be an old RAF fighter drome, didn't it? Wonder if that carries any bonus points...)

I think that just after WW2 there were so many ex-military players that they used to allow medals to be used as tokens to gain extra moves, but eventually it was decided that this was in bad taste and it was banned, though there was the strong suspicion that this was aimed at one particular GrandMaster who kept exploiting this rule. Eventually he was ousted from the World MC Council after the scandal that followed the revelation of rigged Championship draws in 1978, but by that stage so few world class players wanted to reinstate the old rule that it was left in abeyance.

Anyway;

Ruislip Manor

 

[flume]

Holborn

 

[Goshawk]

If insulin had anything to do with back pain, then diabetics would have either more, or less, back pain statistically than the rest of the population. And I've never heard anything like that; when you go to the doctor with back pain, the first words out of his mouth are not, "Are you diabetic?"

When your eye doctor discovers you have retinopathy, the first words out of his mouth are, "Are you diabetic?"

Uxbridge. I believe that means that Hans is now out of the baggage locker, yes?

 

[Kumar]

Ghosawk, the point was to check, whether insulin levels can effect muscle tones or not? If yes, muscles of other parts can be thought, where insulin effects. Anyway, your point is also valid in view of current status of findings.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Anyway, your point is also valid in view of current status of findings.

What? Uxbridge??

With apologies to Goshawk, his was a beginner's move and a blunder. Allowing me to;

Regents Street and re-double

 

[Kumar]

Although I stopped here, can you explain it? I don't understood, really, what you meant. Suppose something effect intersti. levels of Na or K., can't we think, it may effect ECF levels also?

 

[Mojo]

Although I stopped here, can you explain it? I don't understood, really, what you meant.

If you didn't understand what he meant, why did you reply with "your point is also valid"? How can you possibly know whether a point is valid if you don't understand it?

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Although I stopped here, can you explain it? I don't understood, really, what you meant. Suppose something effect intersti. levels of Na or K., can't we think, it may effect ECF levels also?

What with interstitial fluid and extracellular fluid being the same thing, an' all. Let's think about your question. No, let's not.

Temple

 

[Kumar]

What with interstitial fluid and extracellular fluid being the same thing, an' all. Let's think about your question. No, let's not.

Temple

Can't constituents in blood effect ECF levels?

 

[Kumar]

Sorry, in view of BSM's anxciety, I may have to discuss "insulin effect & "insulin effects" on muscle tones-directly or indirectly. Refer:-

...In this last sense, it has anabolic properties. Its concentration (more or less, presence or absence) has extremely widespread effects throughout the body...


The actions of insulin on the global human metabolism level include:

control of cellular intake of certain substances, most prominently glucose in muscle and adipose tissue (about 2/3 of body cells) ..

arterial muscle tone – forces arterial wall muscle to relax, increasing blood flow, especially in micro arteries; lack of insulin reduces flow by allowing these muscles to contract

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin

BSM may be meant to tell my mistake in doubting me about insulin effect on low back muscle whereas above link tells that insulin can effect just arterial wall muscle tone. Is it ok.

Now my question is that:-

What is the meaning of:-

"Its concentration[insulin] (more or less, presence or absence) has extremely widespread effects throughout the body".

Can arterial muscle tone be assoiated to other/back mucsle's tones?

How insulin enter into ECF outside blood vessels which falicitate glucose into cells or causes cells to become IR?

All direct or indirect effects of insulin are to be related to assess effect on other muscle tones eg; on K & other electrolytes levels, acid-base lecels, energy available/utilization lecels etc.

 

[Mojo]

Sorry, in view of BSM's anxciety,

Do you have any evidence that BSM is anxious?

I may have to discuss "insulin effect & "insulin effects" on muscle tones-directly or indirectly.

What difference do you think there is between "insulin effect" and "insulin effects"?

BSM may be meant to tell my mistake in doubting me about insulin effect on low back muscle whereas above link tells that insulin can effect just arterial wall muscle tone. Is it ok.

Now my question is that:-

What is the meaning of:-

"Its concentration[insulin] (more or less, presence or absence) has extremely widespread effects throughout the body".

Can arterial muscle tone be assoiated to other/back mucsle's tones?

You googled a quotation that said that insulin relaxes arterial muscles. Do you have any evidence at all that insulin has an opposite effect on muscles in the back (as you seem to be claiming)?

How insulin enter into ECF outside blood vessels which falicitate glucose into cells or causes cells to become IR?

Osmosis.

All direct or indirect effects of insulin are to be related to assess effect on other muscle tones eg; on K & other electrolytes levels, acid-base lecels, energy available/utilization lecels etc.

Try typing this again, remembering that while certain keys are close together, they do not correspond to the same letter. And try to make it make some sort of sense.

 

[Rolfe]

Kensington Olympia, dammit.

Rolfe.

 

[Mojo]

Elephant & Castle.

 

[flume]

Marble Arch

I hope somebody's called in for pizza.

 

[Kumar]

Do you have any evidence that BSM is anxious?

Then what?

What difference do you think there is between "insulin effect" and "insulin effects"?

At one site and on all body.

You googled a quotation that said that insulin relaxes arterial muscles. Do you have any evidence at all that insulin has an opposite effect on muscles in the back (as you seem to be claiming)?

I am not claiming, I am asking & indicating my doubts.

Osmosis.

Insulin is a big molecule. Can't then it be filtered into kidneys from blood?

Try typing this again, remembering that while certain keys are close together, they do not correspond to the same letter. And try to make it make some sort of sense.

Sorry, my specs that time were bit unavailable on this adding by editing. I retype;

For telling all the effects of insulin, All direct or indirect effects of insulin are to be related/taken into account to assess its effects on other muscles tone eg; on K & other electrolytes levels, acid-base levels, energy available/utilization levels etc.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Barbican. Retaining key for now .

Hans

 

[Kumar]

Silica--inert.