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Québec mosque shooting.

McHrozni said:
I don't mind if you put radical, but racist would be stylistically poor, because racist would appear twice. You can stick several more adjectives in front of that if you want, just make sure they're different adjectives.

The more adjectives you add the weaker the condemnation will be. This is your objective, I take it?

McHrozni
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No no, I mean in front of 'terrorist'. Radical racist terrorist. It's important.

And no, my objective is to remind everyone how important it is to label things like this, and that the government says it. Has Trump called the shooter a "radical racist terrorist" yet?
 
uke2se said:
No no, I mean in front of 'terrorist'. Radical racist terrorist. It's important.
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Oh - well, I suppose it's an accurate description, but you're reaching homeopathic levels of dilution of message with it :)

And no, my objective is to remind everyone how important it is to label things like this, and that the government says it. Has Trump called the shooter a "radical racist terrorist" yet?
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Probably not, but he should call him terrorist. Radical racist terrorist is too dilute to convey the message accurately.

Trump would sooner call him a hero I suspect, which is depressing.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Yes, we have. We found it implausible, because the overwhelming majority of these radicals aren't fighting the Iraqi government or the government responsible for settling occupied territories in West bank.

McHrozni
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But of course, according to your view, a bunch of Muslims in a mosque in Québec are responsible for the outrages committed by ISIS, because ISIS are the only true Muslims, you tell us, whether other Muslims know it or not. So it's not "implausible" that the shooter would be radicalised against them by contemplating terrorism perpetrated by very different people thousands of miles away.
 
uke2se said:
Possibly, but we have been taught by the right how important it is to label these things as terrorism - at least when it's muslims perpetrating them. I feel we need to be consistent.
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As I said, the french minister of the interior made the same "mistake" in the Nice case (from my pov). He is from the left. Politicians have agendas and use talking points accordingly but we are not obliged to imitate them. Actually I think we'd better not imitate them, but hey that's just me.
 
Craig B said:
But of course, according to your view, a bunch of Muslims in a mosque in Québec are responsible for the outrages committed by ISIS, because ISIS are the only true Muslims, you tell us, whether other Muslims know it or not.
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What comes after the word "because" does not follow what came before it, nor is that part consistent with my views on the matter. You were told this before, please try to remember it next time will you?

McHrozni
 
Apparently, the Trump regime has decided that white nationalists are not terrorist. They just took them off of the terror organizations list.
 
McHrozni said:
What comes after the word "because" does not follow what came before it, nor is that part consistent with my views on the matter. You were told this before, please try to remember it next time will you?

McHrozni
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No. And stop being childishly provocative. It's silly.
 
Craig B said:
Do you have a link?
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I found one. The "Daily Stormer" has responded with approbation.
Yes, this is real life.
Our memes are all real life.
Donald Trump is setting us free.

It just…
It just couldn’t ever get any better than this, I am telling myself.
But I know that it is just going to keep getting better.​
ETA The Stormers even pledge their weapons to the service of Trump, in the most moving - bowel moving - terms.
Every day brings a new high-on-life adventure in the brave new era of Donald Trump.
God bless you, Donald Trump.
We are here for you.
We will fight for you.
My sword I pledge to thee.​
This is going to make the state visit difficult for the Queen and above all for her Heir - mark my words! May will be summoned to the Presence - and not be invited to sit.
 
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McHrozni said:
That depends, do you think anti-terror campaign on the Arab peninsula, invasion of Iraq, settlement of Palestine and more are justifications for Islamic terrorism?

I, for one, don't, and the same goes for this guy. That said, in his case this is a plausible scenario of what happened. It just doesn't justify his deed.

McHrozni
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OH, I 100% agree.
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Winterfrost said:
It would have been clear if you had asked if Canada had the death penalty and then stated "the death penalty is made for mass-murderers." But you described three attributes
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Had I put an additional carriage return between the two lines would have made for better ease of reading.
 
Craig B said:
Yes I have considered that. He read about the crimes committed by ISIS, So he got himself a gun and shot up some innocent people in a place of worship because they were Muslims. That makes him mentally disturbed I would have thought, in the eyes of everyone, except if there are any people who say that Muslims are all jointly responsible for the deeds of the extremists, because only the extremists accurately understand Islam and only they are acting according to the true message of the Muslim holy books ... anyone saying that?

Wait a minute ... maybe the Muslim extremists were themselves radicalised by reports of the invasion of Iraq and the settlement of occupied Palestine. Have we considered that possibility? Because that would explain why ISIS has been murdering Yazidi women and children, wouldn't it?
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Hold on, are you proposing a single, consistent standard be applied?

I'm intrigued...

ETA: as others have noted, one can offer an explanation without attempting to suggest that it constitutes mitigation of guilt.
 
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theprestige said:
Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?
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I figured like most of these shooters he was radicalized by Stormfront. But no one cares about the radicalisation of whites.

And come on people you really need to step up and be more effective, Anders Breivik set the bar pretty high after all.
 
Craig B said:
Thank you. I think that makes it official. The USA has a fascist leader. Now we wait to see if he can successfully perform a "coup in office" against your Constitution.
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It depends heavily on 2018 elections. If Trump becomes wildly popular among republicans, they could achieve a massive advantage in Senate, which could, in turn, mean Bad news. This is rather unlikely however, and it is possible that Democrats will obtain a majority in the Senate, crushing his hopes for good.
Congress will likely swing democratic, we'll see by how much - which is good.

McHrozni
 
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McHrozni said:
It depends heavily on 2018 elections. If Trump becomes wildly popular among republicans, they could achieve a massive advantage in Senate. This is rather unlikely however, and it is possible that Democrats will obtain a majority in the Senate, crushing his hopes for good.
Congress will likely swing democratic, we'll see by how much - which is good.
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The states are too well gerrymandered for the house to swing democratic.
 
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