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Québec mosque shooting.

thaiboxerken said:
Don't worry, people. It is a white guy, so it must be just a loner that has a few screws loose. He can't be a self-radicalized member of a hate group, or a terrorist. [/Trumper]
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Hey, they will be sure to point out he was a fan of Dawkins and Hitchens, two evil atheists. Just shows what he is like....


(of course, they fail to mention he is also a fan of the Pope and William Lane Craig)
 
uke2se said:
I'm not talking about Canadian media.

But if media outlets - especially conservative ones - keep labeling this guy a terrorist, I'll happily concede that they are.
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Without a direct link to a terrorist organization or clear political motives, "racist mass murderers" or "heinous mass murderers" seem more accurate names for those guys.
 
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Castro said:
Without a direct link to a terrorist organization or clear political motives, "racist mass murderers" or "heinous mass murderers" seem more accurate names for those guys.
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Funny, though, how much xenophobic mileage the GOP got out of "... refuses to call them Islamic Fundamentalist Terrorists". A number of the so-labeled qualify as "racist/heinous mass murderer" by the above standard.
 
Yes, the French Interior Minister made the same "error" from my POV in the Nice case. The prosecutor was embarrassed.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
Don't worry, people. It is a white guy, so it must be just a loner that has a few screws loose. He can't be a self-radicalized member of a hate group, or a terrorist. [/Trumper]
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How could a white christian ever possibly be a terrorist? What could ever have possibly inspired him?

Have they tied this one to stormfront yet?
 
Here is why I fine the politics of this disgusting.

Maybe he is a terrorist, maybe he is a lone idiot. This isn't a political issue it is a practical one.

If he is a lone idiot this is still terrible but it's not as likely that there are other planned attacks. On the other hand if he had real connections to white power organizations this could signal something larger.

So please stop making whether he is a terrorist or not a political statement. He could be either and we shouldn't let politics interfere with reality as misjudging what he is could have have consequences either way.
 
The September Clues wackos are all over this one too. http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1948

TPTB at it again and with the 'numbers' too?
The day after Chinese New Year (Rooster), 6 people shot to 'death'.
Bear in mind that Chinese people often put the symbol for Good Luck (Fu) upsidedown, which in this instance would make '6' a '9'...
Two assailants arrested one released making it a 'lone' shooter.
Alexandre Bissonnette, aged 27 (2+7=9), charged with attack.

Also, forgot to mention that Isha (evening prayers) is at 18:15ish in/near Quebec, yet the shooting occurred at 20:00hrs and if anyone knows a local mosque one will usually see the attendees not staying too long after prayer and doubtful it would be an hour and three quarters after call to prayer.
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You'd think that no one ever dies in their world if it was reported in the mass media.

Ranb
 
dudalb said:
Question is does an attack have to be organized before it qualifies as Terrorism?
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Interesting point. I would say no. There seems to be a practice in ISIS and other violent extremist organisations, to "approve" some lone wolf atrocity and claim to have "inspired" it. A cheap way of gaining publicity and claiming "achievements". Does that make a "lone nut" atrocity more "terrorist" than it would be if no extremist group adopted it?

If this is not "terrorist" in the event of it being the work of a depraved lone individual, would it become terrorist if KKK or some similar outfit claimed to have inspired it?
 
sadhatter said:
If he is a lone idiot this is still terrible but it's not as likely that there are other planned attacks. On the other hand if he had real connections to white power organizations this could signal something larger.
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Sure, except. We know that ISIS is hoping to inspire terrorist attacks carried out by lone individuals in western nations, without any direct contact between ISIS and the attackers, and that's still considered terrorism.

So why not the same when it's a lone white supremacist carrying out an attack inspired by Stormfront, the nazis, and that ilk?
 
dudalb said:
Question is does an attack have to be organized before it qualifies as Terrorism?
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My impression at this point is that there's an official qualification for terrorism (eg: the FBI has specific criteria), but nevertheless, that doesn't matter, because at the end of the day it's Terrorism if and when the authorities in power say it is.

So, a white supremacist shooting up a mosque is not a terrorist, but a muslim shooting up a church would be. "Because."
 
blutoski said:
My impression at this point is that there's an official qualification for terrorism (eg: the FBI has specific criteria), but nevertheless, that doesn't matter, because at the end of the day it's Terrorism if and when the authorities in power say it is.

So, a white supremacist shooting up a mosque is not a terrorist, but a muslim shooting up a church would be. "Because."
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I think it depends on what his agenda was: did he just want to kill Muslims because he hates them, or did he wand to send a "you're not welcome here" message to the others?
 
Argumemnon said:
I think it depends on what his agenda was: did he just want to kill Muslims because he hates them, or did he wand to send a "you're not welcome here" message to the others?
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Yes, I think that the motive behind the crime is important. Is it a crime with political, ideological or religious motives? is it a crime due to racism, hate, alcohol and drugs? is it both? Actually we don't know much right now.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Line 2: question (given the SHOOTING IN THE OP) about death penalty in Canada. A shooter like that is a perfect fit the death penalty, but as Border Riever pointed out, you don't have the option.
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TOTALLY cool with that.

Separates us from the animals.
 
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