Québec mosque shooting.

[Winterfrost]

No, I am referring to the shooter.
No, that's a very stupid read of my post.
Line 1: given those three features, not a surprise on the sentiments that led to the shooting.
Line 2: question (given the SHOOTING IN THE OP) about death penalty in Canada. A shooter like that is a perfect fit the death penalty, but as Border Riever pointed out, you don't have the option.

It would have been clear if you had asked if Canada had the death penalty and then stated "the death penalty is made for mass-murderers." But you described three attributes to which you implied a negative association, then followed it up with a statement that the death penalty "[is] made for people like this." The problem isn't in the reading.

In response to your clarification above, do you have evidence that being a Quebecois francophone significantly contributes to the rise of sentiments that would lead to murder?

In case you were not aware, Quebec has one of the lowest per-capita murder rates in Canada, Quebec City (90%+ francophone) one of the lowest murder rates of all Canadian cities, and Quebec's rate of reported hate crimes is also below average for Canada.

I see no reason to identify the shooter as anything other than a mentally disturbed individual--something which exists in all population groups.

 

[Castro]

What Makes An Attacker A Terrorist In Canada? An interesting article about "who is actually considered a terrorist in Canada?" :http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/0...ec-city-alexandre-bissonnette_n_14521232.html

...According to a RCMP terrorism guide, terrorism is considered:

Activities within or relating to Canada directed toward or in support of the threat or use of acts of serious violence against persons or property for the purpose of achieving a political, or religious or ideological objective within Canada or a foreign state.

"The key differentiation between other aspects of the Criminal Code and an act of terrorism is the focus on intention," explained Lorne Dawson, director of the Canadian Network for Research on Terrorism, Security, and Society.

"So a murder is a murder. What degree of murder it is will focus on issues of intention but for terrorism, the very definition of the act that makes it a terrorist act, as opposed to just a murder, is that it is done for an ideological reason." ...

 

[Craig B]

I see no reason to identify the shooter as anything other than a mentally disturbed individual--something which exists in all population groups.

That is true. The shooter was mentally disturbed, and all populations have such people. But it doesn't even begin to answer the question whether or not he was a terrorist. One can be a terrorist and mentally disturbed at the same time. And any population can produce a person like that.

 

[Belgian thought]

That is true. The shooter was mentally disturbed, and all populations have such people. But it doesn't even begin to answer the question whether or not he was a terrorist. One can be a terrorist and mentally disturbed at the same time. And any population can produce a person like that.

Indeed.

After all, it would be horrible to hear that he had acted on some written word he had read and believed in its entirety and validity.

Some fascist writings calling others 'persona non grata'.

 

[Praktik]

For not being computers, humans do a great job of thinking in binary!

 

[Belgian thought]

For not being computers, humans do a great job of thinking in binary!

Logic is binary - human made perhaps, but that is another question.

 

[theprestige]

Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?

 

[Foolmewunz]

Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?

And this would be a propo of ___________?

Meh? I'm going to wait for word from the Quebec police.

 

[Belgian thought]

Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?

Are you assuming he read about it?

 

[dudalb]

Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?

So that amounts to a justification for the shootings?

Anybody who makes excuses for this guy is just displaying their religious bigotry .
I am truly scared that so many on the right in Islam seem to have found the vast evil enemy they have been longing for since the fall of Communism.

 

[Belgian thought]

So that amounts to a justification for the shootings?

Anybody who makes excuses for this guy is just displaying their religious bigotry .
I am truly scared that so many on the right in Islam seem to have found the vast evil enemy they have been longing for since the fall of Communism.

That is exactly where we are - wankers believing some god like answer to it all- Some based in Mecca, some based on Runes.

And in addition, the other believers, Hindu extremists and Myanmar Buddhists are trying to keep their heads down from the press.

Can't we just tell all of them to **** off?

 

[Craig B]

Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?

Yes I have considered that. He read about the crimes committed by ISIS, So he got himself a gun and shot up some innocent people in a place of worship because they were Muslims. That makes him mentally disturbed I would have thought, in the eyes of everyone, except if there are any people who say that Muslims are all jointly responsible for the deeds of the extremists, because only the extremists accurately understand Islam and only they are acting according to the true message of the Muslim holy books ... anyone saying that?

Wait a minute ... maybe the Muslim extremists were themselves radicalised by reports of the invasion of Iraq and the settlement of occupied Palestine. Have we considered that possibility? Because that would explain why ISIS has been murdering Yazidi women and children, wouldn't it?

 

[bruto]

Have we considered the possibility that he was radicalized by reports of Islamic violence?

So he decided he'd better shoot him some? It's your fault. You made me do it!

 

[McHrozni]

Wait a minute ... maybe the Muslim extremists were themselves radicalised by reports of the invasion of Iraq and the settlement of occupied Palestine. Have we considered that possibility?

Yes, we have. We found it implausible, because the overwhelming majority of these radicals aren't fighting the Iraqi government or the government responsible for settling occupied territories in West bank.

McHrozni

 

[McHrozni]

So that amounts to a justification for the shootings?

That depends, do you think anti-terror campaign on the Arab peninsula, invasion of Iraq, settlement of Palestine and more are justifications for Islamic terrorism?

I, for one, don't, and the same goes for this guy. That said, in his case this is a plausible scenario of what happened. It just doesn't justify his deed.

McHrozni

 

[The Don]

So he decided he'd better shoot him some? It's your fault. You made me do it!

I thought that's what Islamic terrorists said too.....

"I'm forced to commit terrorist atrocities because of my perception of actions taken by Western powers"



edited to add....

For the avoidance of doubt, my view is that in both cases the argument is rubbish.

 

[uke2se]

Without a direct link to a terrorist organization or clear political motives, "racist mass murderers" or "heinous mass murderers" seem more accurate names for those guys.

Possibly, but we have been taught by the right how important it is to label these things as terrorism - at least when it's muslims perpetrating them. I feel we need to be consistent.

 

[McHrozni]

Possibly, but we have been taught by the right how important it is to label these things as terrorism - at least when it's muslims perpetrating them. I feel we need to be consistent.

Unless this guy was after someone in the Mosque for personal reasons it was terrorism, pure and simple.

Still, he can be labeled as a racist/heinous mass murderer as well. It's an accurate description.

McHrozni

 

[uke2se]

Unless this guy was after someone in the Mosque for personal reasons it was terrorism, pure and simple.

Still, he can be labeled as a racist/heinous mass murderer as well. It's an accurate description.

McHrozni

Do you think we can pop a "radical racist" in front of that? It's very important.

 

[McHrozni]

Do you think we can pop a "radical racist" in front of that? It's very important.

I don't mind if you put radical, but racist would be stylistically poor, because racist would appear twice. You can stick several more adjectives in front of that if you want, just make sure they're different adjectives.

The more adjectives you add the weaker the condemnation will be. This is your objective, I take it?

McHrozni