QiGong Disease Healing Test Report

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Long Distance Qi/Chi Connection Disease Healing Test Report

Test Purpose: To demonstrate the existence of Long Distance Qi/Chi Connection

Test Date and Time: 2004 Oct 18th 1:05 to 1:53

Test Position: The People's Republic of China/ JingLuo and QiGong Forum (/http://www.swyy.net/bbs/jlqg/index.html)

Test Subject: Shine Sun and Nan

Test Process and Demonstration:

Shine Sun posted a post:
10/18/2004, 21:08:27
I knew where your disease was!

at lumbar.

2004 Oct 18th 1:05 to 1:53, I did the Long Distance Qi/Chi Connection disease healing for you again. After that. near my lumbar, I felt wet,cold,,acid,pain,swell,obstructed,great suffering. But I am pleased. How suffering I did feel, How happy you would feel!

Correct?

I wish you are restored early!

: Nan's post:
10/19/2004, 16:34:44
My lumbar indeed is very painful when I lie in bed for a long time，and especially on yesterday it is painful very much. It is not good however I lie in bed. That is indeed a problem which is boring me. Moreover, I was examined out that I had got Heavy Fat Liver last month. Do you have any method to heal? a QiGong method? Moreover, thank you for your QiGong sending yesterday.

Shine Sun's post:
10/19/2004, 19:48:50
Thank you for your prompt feedback! Really I am looking forward to your feedback! With a mood of urgence and fear! I am afraid of failure, afraid of that this feat is only a dream. Now, I do not yet dare to believe that I can do Long Distance Qi/Chi Connection. How do you feel? confirmed? Healing up your disease, my feat will climb on a higher step, from Long Distance Qi/Chi Connection to Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing.

Is my feat powerful? No need of your cooperation, no need to know your position, anytime, no limit of distance, this is true QiGong.

Heavy Fat Liver, this is the phenomenon, not the reason. Healing up lumbar, the Heavy Fat Liver will disappear automatically, otherwise, not only Heavy Fat Liver.

Lumbar is the door of life, the door of life was obstructed, any hope will you have?

Kidney was warm, spleen would be warm; Kidney was lack of blood, liver would be lack of blood. The Qi of kidney was obstructed at the door of life, The lack of blood of liver would be
inevitable.

Where I am, tomorrow will be better!

Following is also the test report, but in Chinese.

远程气连接治病试验报告

试验目的: 进一æ_¥è¯å®ž"远程气连接"的真实å_˜åœ¨
试验时间: 2004年10月18日1:05至1:53
试验地点: ä¸_华人民共和国/ 经络与气功论坛/http://www.swyy.net/bbs/jlqg/index.html
试验者:七笑圣者和男
试验过程和试验证实如下:

七笑圣者发帖:
10/18/2004, 21:08:27
我知道ä½_的病在哪里了!
在腰椎.

2004å¹´10月18æ—¥1:05至1:53, 我再次为ä½_发功. 之后,我的腰椎附近感到湿,寒,é…¸,ç—›,胀,不通,很难受. 不过我很高兴,我是如何的难受,ä½_就会如何的舒服.

æ_£ç¡®å—?

æ„¿ä½_早日康复!


: 男回帖:
10/19/2004, 16:34:44
我的腰椎确实躺在床上时间长了很疼，而且在昨天尤其感倒很痛，怎麼躺都不舒服。这确实是困扰我的一个难题。另外我在上个月被检查出为重度脂肪肝，请问ä½_有什麼好的方法可以治疗吗？在气功上用什么方法呢？另外谢谢ä½_昨天为我发功。

: 七笑圣者回帖:
10/19/2004, 19:48:50
æ„Ÿè°¢ä½_这么快就回复了! 我真的在盼望着ä½_的回复! 以一种既急切又害怕的心情. 我害怕失败,害怕这功力只是一个梦. 现在我还不敢相信我有千里ä¼_功的本事,ä½_觉得呢? 可以确认了吗? 医好ä½_çš„ç—…,我的功力就飞跃了,从千里ä¼_功飞跃到千里治病.
我的功力厉害吗? 不需ä½_配合,不需知道ä½_的位置,任何时间,没有距离限制,这才是真æ_£çš„气功!

重度脂肪肝, 这是æ_‡ä¸æ˜¯æœ¬, 治好腰椎, 自然就没有重度脂肪肝, 否则还不æ_¢é‡åº¦è„‚肪肝.

腰椎乃命门,命门都不通,还有什么希望呢?

肾阳虚,脾阳虚; 肾阴虚,肝阴虚. 肾气在命门被切æ–_, 肝阴虚是必然的了.

有我在,明天会更好!
 
...the door of life?

Please define: the door of life

Please? Someone? Anyone?
 
Summary:

SS: I healed your lumbar. doesn't it feel great now?

Nan: no, actually it's my liver. but sure, lying in bed all day is a pain. I'm still in pain. Can you heal my liver?

SS: I was right! I win!
 
NOPE.

NO application from SUN SHINE. Lots of emails, lots of questions, lots of proclamations, but no Challenge application.

We'll let you know.
 
This is embarrasing me and other Chinese people. What's the point of healing someone, if they know what's going to happen. The placebo effect should always be countered in some way, such as a double blind test. And posting forum exchanges isn't any proof of any great power.

Procrastination is the key!...oh now I get why the people at JREF get so frustrated....
 
Paranormal Ability Practice

quote:
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Yaotl
Let me be the first to ask, what is "Heavy Fat Liver"?
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Reply: I also don't know "Heavy Fat Liver". But I know it is a disease about liver. I translated it from Chinese to
English directly.
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quote:
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KRAMER
...the door of life?
Please define: the door of life

Please? Someone? Anyone?
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Reply: As for the door of life, it is a name given by ancient Chinese. I translated it from Chinese to English directly. It is located near lumbar or back of waist. I think the name is correct very much. The fire of life starts here. Seminal fluid and oxygen burn here. The energy and the mixture supply the requirement of life.
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quote:
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roger
Summary:

SS: I healed your lumbar. doesn't it feel great now?

Nan: no, actually it's my liver. but sure, lying in bed all day is a pain. I'm still in pain. Can you heal my liver?

SS: I was right! I win!
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Reply: Basically, you are wrong.
"I healed your lumbar. doesn't it feel great now?" Yes, I healed his lumbar, but only at a certain level, not "healed over".
It must feel great, but may not be now, maybe some days later. I will continue to heal him, I think you can see the final result if possible.

" no, actually it's my liver." not actually, it is more.
"lying in bed all day is a pain. I'm still in pain." It misleaded the meaning. The pain is not because in bed all day. It is because there is disease at lumbar.
"I was right! I win!" Yes, I winned at a certain level. Because I found the reason of lumbar. At least, I have hope to win the paranormal Prize.

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quote:
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skeptikat
KRAMER, has Shine Sun applied for the JREF prize?
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Reply: not yet. I need to find an objective method to demonstrate my paranormal ability, then I will apply.
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sf108

This is embarrasing me and other Chinese people. What's the point of healing someone, if they know what's going
to happen. The placebo effect should always be countered in some way, such as a double blind test. And posting
forum exchanges isn't any proof of any great power.

Procrastination is the key!...oh now I get why the people at JREF get so frustrated....
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Reply: I belive you are a young man, you don't understand it is difficult to do a right thing. I hope I can help someone, but my goal is to demonstrate my paranormal ability and win the Prize. The million bucks is not a easy thing. Nan was injured in a traffic crash, I hope I can help him. Chinese people is embarrasing you? Yes, Chinese people will embarrase you really, when I have got the Prize or I have healed up many people all over the world only by this method.
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The final question: Who would like to do the test with me? I only need your authorization. It is safe absolutely.
 
Re: Paranormal Ability Practice

The final question: Who would like to do the test with me? I only need your authorization. It is safe absolutely.
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As i cannot see how i could lose this way, except by acquiring a woo-woo belief, which could be cured by JREF Forum, feel free to heal me of every disease i have and you can heal.

To make this test of any use you should try to heal diseases i know about.

Do you need any information prior or during the healing?

Carn
 
Re: Paranormal Ability Practice

Shine Sun said:
quote:
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Yaotl
Let me be the first to ask, what is "Heavy Fat Liver"?
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Reply: I also don't know "Heavy Fat Liver". But I know it is a disease about liver. I translated it from Chinese to
English directly.
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So it's an ailment that only exists in Chinese?
 
Paranormal Ability Practice

As i cannot see how i could lose this way, except by acquiring a woo-woo belief, which could be cured by JREF Forum, feel free to heal me of every disease i have and you can heal.To make this test of any use you should try to heal diseases i know about.Do you need any information prior or during the healing?
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Carn:

Thank you very much!

Even if you have no disease, we also can communicate by this way. I hope you can get some good feelings at least. It is difficult to heal over a disease or to have someone get some feelings only by one time Long Distance Qi Connection (LDQC) test. Generally, I need 7 times.

It is safe basically, but for steel safe, I will do the test when you are in evening or night. You are sleeping in bed, it is steel safe, I think. So please tell me your time zone.

After I have done a test, I will post a post to inform you. I hope you also post a reply post, so that I can know what feeling you have got, and I can adjust the test strength. At beginning, I will launch a weak strength. You may feel nothing.

Any time, you can stop the authorization, only by posting a post and informing me.

Thank you again!

God bless us!

Christian: Shine Sun

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I think:
If my Long Distance Qi Connection or Long Distance QiGong Disease Healing is true, then it is reasonable to believe Jesus's feat and it is also reasonable to believe the existence of God. That is why I hope to do the test with you in front of the world, not only for the million bucks.
 
This is getting really lame. Why don't you stop healing people over forums and do something spectacular. Such as going to the nearest hospital, cure cancer patients, and be on the news, so that we can all see your power.

If not, GG. Go home.
 
It is not easy.

Why don't you stop healing people over forums and do something spectacular
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I do not know what spectacular things you mean. I claimed that I can creat light band at a distance of 100 meters. Is it spectacular? But I can not win the Prize by it.

Such as going to the nearest hospital, cure cancer patients.
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Yes, I healed many diseases, but I can not go to any hospital, because I am an engineer, not a doctor. If I want to be doctor, at lease I need 7 years to get the license.

It is easy to cause someone to get some feelings, it
is difficult to heal up a disease.

There are many reasons of polity.
Why was Jesus crucified? Why is it impossible that I will be crucified? I am not afraid of dealth, but I am afraid of pain. And I am afraid that I can not fulfill the enterprise of God.

I have tried to heal AIDS by forum, but It failed for the reason of polity. I feeled the cold of the AIDS patient, I hope strongly to do the trial. But I have no chance to do it only for a reason of polity.

You do not understand Chinese, it is complex very much. Certainly, Jesus was crucified not by Chinese.
 
Re: It is not easy.

Shine Sun said:
Certainly, Jesus was crucified not by Chinese.
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Can we have some proof of that?
 
Can we have some proof of that?
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Hello KRAMER:

I don't understand your question clearly.

Perhaps, you want to know why Jesus was crucified not by Chinese. That is according to the <<Holy Bible>>. Jesus was crucified by Italian or Jew.

To demonstrate my paranormal ability, there is a simple method. That is to do test with Kramer and Randi. If they acknowledge my paranormal ability, then I win the Prize. Is it correct? So I hope strongly to do the Long Distance Qi Connection test with them. But I feel it is not appropriate now. I don't know why I have this feeling. So I hope to do test with other people firstly. Perhaps, I am not confident 100%. I hope I will not be too embarrasing if I failed. Now, I decided to do test over the forum. It is same embarrasing, if I failed whether with Kramer or Carn.

If I failed with Carn, I am still able to do the test with others. If I failed with Kramer, maybe it is difficult to do the test with others. If I successed with Carn, and failed with Kramer, I will not be failed 100%. Is it correct?

I can do the test without authorization. But I will not do so, because it offends my belief.
 
Nope, not buying this.

The pseudo translated English style does not seem consistent.

Compare the first post on the forum with the one above - the mistakes are inconsistent, definite articles inconsistently applied, complex words accurately used, simple ones incorrectly used. Contractions, again, are inconsistently used.

"Jesus was crucified by Italian or Jew"? Bad translation does not equal bad knowledge. Anyone familiar enough with Jesus to use him as an example would be extremely unlikely to say Italian instead of Roman.

Obviously I could be wrong, but this looks very much to me like someone with a full grasp of English attempting to impersonate an Asian with a much more limited knowledge of English.

I think he's full of shi- ne sun
 
sf108 said:
This is embarrasing me and other Chinese people....
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There's no reason for Chinese people to be particularly embarrassed by the likes of Shine Sun. Fraud and fraudsters have existed far longer than even China's immense history. (If anything, westerners ought to be embarrassed at their own credulous acceptance of almost any kind of snake oil if it comes in a Chinese bottle. I suppose this is a remnant of an old and well-founded respect for Chinese technology dating back to medieval times.)

"I believe you are a young man," says Shiny Son - a snotty attempt at a putdown, and in no way to the point. Typical of a con man when pressed.

Human nature can be a painful embarrassment sometimes.
 
A master Qigong healer, but when he translates from 'ancient Chinese', he doesn't use terms like mingmen, or anything else that can be compared to the many English language reference books on the subject...nor does he know what 'the door of life' is?


Yes, an obvious scam, posing as a qigong believer...we seem to be getting a lot of these pseudo woos lately.
 
Woo and pseudo woo, created He them

crimresearch said:
. . . we seem to be getting a lot of these pseudo woos lately.
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Hey, I'll take the out-and-out con artist over the truly deluded believer any day of the week! You can deal with a sharper; we do it all the time; his motivations are comprehensible. The true believer is beyond our reach.
 
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