psychotronic weaponry

Luke T. said:


Unfortunately, Steve Grenard does play into people's delusions. And as long as there is one person who does, people like james will get sicker and sicker, fed by the likes of SG.


Exactly. But as long as steve has a buddy, then who cares about anybody else. It's sickening. It's what naturopaths et al do best. Play into and encourage fear of everything but what that person is selling-whether that be themselves or some ridiculous product.

I'm glad you see what we mean BillHoyt.
 
In reference to the Hertz response to my post. The post was originally a part of the same thread, at a later point, as the one on electromagnetic pulses in a different discussion group. There are those that write stuff like ultrasound modulated onto an electromagnetic wave, which leads people to think that the psychotronic weaponry uses sound. When they should have stated electromagnetic waves modulated so that when received by a proper deciphering device would then be sent to a device to cause the vibrations sensed by the ear and determined by the brain as sound. There are references to subliminal messaging through ‘ultrasonic frequencies’ just barely outside the range of human hearing in the patents I posted here. I am also against the subliminal messaging devices. This particular post was also to show that sound vibrations and electromagnetic waves do not propagate in the same manner. When you say sound ‘waves’ can be described by the Hz representation, what part are you referring to? The initial disturbance that caused the vibration of the medium, the actual vibration of the medium (it is possible to hear underwater) or the vibrations when reaching the ear? As for the musical instrument producing complex harmonics, how can a series of different oscillations be described with one frequency? And since sound can be muffled, what would you use to describe the frequency? The initial sound or the sound after being muffled. Unless saying the medium that muffled the sound changed the frequency.

Are you sure that using the Hz designation to describe sound wasn’t actually taken from using it to describe different modulations of electromagnetic waves representing said sounds? Or maybe applied due to the use of a measuring device that displayed the vibratory action of the medium? Which the latter would still only apply to the point at which the vibrations were measured and would change with distance.

So technically a sound ‘wave’ isn’t a pressure wave either. What ever caused the initial vibration may also cause a pressure wave but the vibrations would be carried through kinetic interaction. Said pressure wave may however cause a directionality effect on the kinetic transfer.

The patents also make several references to different types of band pass filters. Since you seem to have knowledge of some of them you might want to at least read the patents that apply to manipulation of someone’s mind through audible entrainment.
 
james m. vierling jr said:
Obviously some of you have never heard of things like someone being 'railroaded' or being 'blacklisted'. Maybe that doesn't happen either in your little fantasy world. In reality though, unfortunately it does, for know anyway.
News media report such stories. Police dislike somebody, pressure witnesses to change information so that the concocted case doesn't look inconsistent, etc. To understand these things, we use a common sense understanding of psychology rather than a knowledge of, say, electronics technology.

james m. vierling jr said:
See I actually liked my little four room efficiency apartment,(the one I had before the destruction of my life) [...]
What is the connection between what happened to you and the patents that you refer to?

Someone is stabbed and robbed. Suppose the victim survives, but the knife is still in the victim. It would be possible for the victim to investigate the metallurgy of the knife blade, the manufacturing process used to make the knife, etc. However, what's the point of pursuing such an analysis?

james m. vierling jr said:
As to why read the patents, because they show what this country is up to also. And if they read dry to you, they are not usually meant to be entertaining. Granted some of them contain questionable statements, however when there are literally hundreds of them dealing with mind control, 'behavior modification', brain programming and the like people might want to start paying attention.
A good teacher knows that not every student is interested in every subject. You don't have to make the patents entertaining, but you do have to make the material interesting to somebody if you want to engage in meaningful dialogue.
 
First I will address the foul language post. I will stop using foul language in my posts as far as I can. You might want to check into the recent supreme court ruling on a couple of the words however. I will also state, as I have to others, that I won't tolerate editing of what I post if it changes the meaning. By the way you people seem to be the ones that want to 'teach' people that if they don't understand something to label it crazy. Sounds like you would have called people that spoke out against religion saying the world was flat crazy also. The number of you that jumped in to make a faulty diagnosis also suggests that you have become part of a cult mentality group. There is nothing advanced about the physics involved in the psychotronic attacks. Why don't you check into the Luxemborg effect that was found out in 1938. As for the article posted, once again either you did not read what I wrote about it or you just can't comprehend it. Part of being an actual skeptic involves being able to pick the facts out of the fantasy and sorry about your luck but the weaponry is very real. Here is one for you so-called skeptics, Einstein was nothing more than someone trying to prove his religion. This statement has also been attributed to quotes from him on sites that are about mathematics. It is on the Mathworld site for instance. As for your questions, they were answered in the page that you so claim gives you the right to call me crazy. As for the person that says his mother is schizophrenic, maybe and then again maybe not. Have you ever checked into the MKUltra atrocities committed by the CIA and their independent contractors? There are actual Senate hearings on this. In those you will find that the CIA was suppoosed to contact all of the involuntary experimentees, however there are also documents that show this was never done. Actual government documents. As for the machine not being attached comments, why don't you read about the loan of the Lida machine to Loma Linda Laboratories in the mid 1980's. Granted that is an older machine that doesn't work on the evoked potential level. Why don't you check into the Chuck DeCaro televised experiments available from CNN. As for your challenge, I could care less. Once again you prove that you do not read what was posted or have any knowledge of how the human brain works. I will try to explain briefly why your comment is not valid with the psychotronic weaponry. First read what I posted on how the brain works, it is a fact. Second when using the evoked potential technology the attackers match it to any evoked potential pattern that they have correlation to an actual sound. Which again is in the posts about the patents. Also in the posts about the patents are a couple referring to interpreting a person's thoughts. Which also menas that the attacks through the weaponry using evoked potentials can use this correlation. As for the when, again as I posted yes I can tell when the attackers do the mood manipulation through various entrainment frequencies. You people do realize that the human brain does work with varied frequencies. the following insert is one that I sent to the, as you call them, "tin-foil" crowd.

And as far as using metal as a shield, I have some questions. Again metal being a heat conductor and microwaves and radiation causing heat, this would seem to be a method of cooking one's brain. Also what happens when you put metal in a microwave? It would also seem that metal would help to conduct the electrical activity in one's brain or help to conduct the electromagnetic pulses to one's brain. And it would also seem that metal, which attracts magnets, would attract the electromagnetism more. When one has poor t.v. or radio reception, what does one attach to the antennas to improve reception?

And for those that say the article was written by a crack-pot, that may be somewhat true and is if he actually believes the psyhcic crap. However this does not automatically dismiss the rest of the article. Would you say Hitler's scientists were sane? They definetly developed actual weaponry. And definetly performed actual experiments on people. The article was written by Beck and the bibliographies by both Beck and Byrd. By the way a lot of the bibliographies are articles written and published by the IEEE. Now I suppose you will call them a bunch of crack pots also.

Yes some volunteers are victims when not trully informed of the real nature of an experiment. I suppose you don't think the release of Phen Phen was an experiment? So in reality it would be your statement that would be moot.

I have read posts on the site that say there are supposed physicists here. Well then why don't they try to debunk the patents and subsequent weaponry stemming from them or like research? With facts not inane and false diagnosis. What is the matter no facts to prove me wrong so you get mad and call me crazy. You say it is impossible, prove it. Oh yeah that would mean you would actually have to read it and be able to comprehend it.

Again I am not sick, but I am sickened by the amount of ignorance that appears here and elsewhere.

Why would anyone want to attack me? Read the web page. I don't play the PC crap and I despise old-boy networks. I won't kiss anyone's butt either. I speak out against cocaine, religion, people that think they own other people, sexual harassment, the mafia, pedophilia, etc. Which there is a little of each of these in the faxes sent to the FBI. I also don't care how famous anyone is, as that does not make them any better than anyone else just because of it. Actually it has been known to make them real places where fecal matter is excreted from. And also I am not afraid to get in anyone's face if they deserve it. Wow sounds real paranoid huh?
 
Since when has EM radition consisted of waves? What happen to the whole wave particle duality thing.
 
Should have pointed out the the 'insert' consisted of only the one paragraph. The rest was written whil sitting at the library computer.
 
james m. vierling jr said:
First I will address the foul language post. I will stop using foul language in my posts as far as I can. You might want to check into the recent supreme court ruling on a couple of the words however. I will also state, as I have to others, that I won't tolerate editing of what I post if it changes the meaning.
Regardless of what the Supreme Court considers to be foul language or obscene content, this is a private forum board and it is Hal's (and ultimately, Randi's) rules that we live by on here. If a post presents something that a mod considers to be inappropriate, they will edit it whether or not you tolorate such an action. If you disagree, you can always appeal to an Admin or, ultimately, Randi or Linda.

That being said, no mod will edit a post simply because they disagree with what you are saying. If we did, we wouldn't be a mod for much longer. The mod's only duty is to keep the forum legal, keep it from being blocked by filtering software, and to keep the forum organzied. That's it.
 
g-dang! Conspiracy, assertion of a religious Einstein, Nazi's... we've got the whole gamut. Experiments, unwilling victims, Hitler's scientists... experiment dates as far back as 1938, inconclusive results in the 1980's, Phen-phen was an "experiment," no one can disprove what he is saying because he KNOWS it's the truth.

I'll just lay back on the floor now. All this falling over from laughing is making my head hurt.
 
Eos of the Eons said:

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Answer my questions james.

1. Why aren't you working.

2. What is your source of income. Mine is work.
...

James, why won't you answer these simple questions?

And please answer these as well:

3. Have you ever been to a psychiatrist and, if so, have you ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia?

4. If you have not ever been to a psychiatrist, would you agree to see one in the near future? If you will not, why not?

We look forward to your response...
 
The idea said:
What is the connection between what happened to you and the patents that you refer to?
I would be looking forward to an answer, but I haven't yet said anything in this thread that suggests there might be a connection between the Teamsters and Gay Unions, so I don't expect any response whatsoever.
 
James, I would like to publicly appologize to you. When I first saw your website I thought it was a joke. I saw your link where mind control perpetrators could send you a confidential message explaining why we attempted to control your mind. I sent you a message from "SnakeStone", where I explained that I first learned about my psychic powers when I joined the army. I also explained that I wasn't a controller, just a viewer, my job was to read your mind. Finally I explained that I kept doing this because I was literally addicted to the experience of reading other people's minds.

Again, I want to say that my reason for sending this message was because I thought your web site was a joke. I did not realize that you might actually be sick. I think you need professional help. The things you claim are impossible. You are talking about physical properties that don't exist. Some of your rants here are gibberish. You really do need to see someone.
 
Suezold! Stop making ME roll around on the ground from your posts :D :D

Dragonrock, thank you for recinding your submission to the site. I'm glad you realize that they are serious there. The site owner should be tarred and feathered for encouraging fearful delusions.

The number of you that jumped in to make a faulty diagnosis also suggests that you have become part of a cult mentality group.

James, you refuse to answer my questions. You have given us another typical paranoid accusation.

If you knew these forums at all you would note that most of us disagree and bicker with each other on a lot of topics (tres fun).

This however is different.
We are concerned for your well being, and will not discuss delusions seriously. It would be unethical.
 
[pops 2 tylenol]
Eos dear, this smarmy truth is better than an fiction I could make up.
 
Suezoled said:
[pops 2 tylenol]
Eos dear, this smarmy truth is better than an fiction I could make up.

Tell me about it. You should hear my mom. Her stuff is disgusting and gruesome. I wish she only went on about some electronic/gov't mind control. Her stuff would make a horror flick that would scare everyone to death and gross them out for years. Jeffrey Dahlmer's true story has nothing on her world of freakish p*rversion, se*ual exploitation, and mind abuse/control. She was always warning me that the stuff would happen to me, and in great detail. The depth of detail is what is most impressive, and the conspiracy of those 'behind them'. The names she puts out and implicates. It's mind boggling how she keeps it all "straight".

You should listen to the six hours of screaming I fell asleep to after asking permsision to joing the drama club. Ugh.

I wouldn't let her scare my kids anymore after she told my son that her boss was in his head and making him mol*st himself this way and that...(gruesome details).

You wanna hear smarmy?

Sigh.


Fascinating but sad. These people are living in fear, and they don't "have" to get help for any of it unless they are "a danger to themselves or others".

I saw a stat once that indicated 75% of homeless are schizophrenic. Another large percent are the ones that self medicate with alcochol and drugs.

The one main feature of schizophrenia is denial. Everyone else is crazy, not yourself. You can't convince them that their delusions aren't true.

Hey, it's what they see, hear, feel. It's reality. Until meds put their brain chemicals into a normal state, then their perceptions are what they live. It's the same with ourselves. Take some acid and try not to experience what you are experiencing. Try convincing yourself that it is not happening. Imagine living like that 24/7.

Some folks can have lucid periods. My mom never ever does.

I find those that can and are helped a miracle. I admire them. There could be no greater feat than get well when living with schizophrenia.

In my province this is rare. The law prevents me from getting my mom help. I tried. I had to give up or drive myself insane trying. She has to hurt someone or attempt suicide before they make her take medicaion. She has been diagnosed in a mental hospital twice by psychiatrists. I have the papers. It doesn't matter. She has to be a threat to society before they make her get help.

Thus, the only thing I can do is not feed into her delusions and not let her near my kids. She of course feels I am taken in by whatever faction and they are punishing her by not letting her see her grandkids.

Very sad situation when it comes to mental illness like this one.

If james is not getting help, then he won't on his own, no matter what is said here or anywhere else.
 
Before I got married, I asked my wife-to-be one question: do you have either schizophrenia or alcoholism in your family? If the answer to either one of those was "yes," then I doubt I would've married her, and told her so afterwards.

My dad was an alcoholic, so I know all-too-well how much fun that is, and one of my uncles married a woman who was schizophrenic, and was even warned of it by his future in-laws before they were married. He was convinced that love would conquer all. It didn't. In the ensuing 50-plus years, he's been through it all: the committals, the drug therapies, the relapses. He even has the papers to prove she's schizophrenic. If she had Internet access, I'm afraid her posts would be a whole lot like James'. Unfortunately, there's not much point in attacking someone's rambling posts, or calling them to task about their actions. Unless they take their medication, they are a prisoner of their own head, and even with their medications, they are only on parole.

Michael
 
This is somewhat of a continuation or just more in depth reply to some of the posts in this thread. Might as well start with the warning.

Pyrrho – (Circa 360 – 270 before con) Greek philosopher, founder of Skepticism. He thought it impossible to arrive at any certain knowledge and held that the wise man should not judge but should aim at a balanced imperturbability.

So he wasn’t certain of his own philosophy?

So by this definition, 1+1=2 is not a certainty. H2O is not the certain chemical or elemental composition of pure water? By this definition then he would think magic exists. This would be along the lines of what I would mean if I used the term “airhead”. And philosophy is not science, it is more religion. Again going by the definition. You warn me of foul language, yet you allow others to jump to conclusions and judge me delusional. You should change your pseudonym. People in real life that dress like your avatar don’t scare me. Just in case you don’t know what imperturbability means, it means not susceptible to alarm or agitation. (Or is that to much of a certainty?) If being tortured doesn’t bother you then it is not torture. Sounds more like he was the founder of the politically correct stuff like ‘as long as it makes you fell good about yourself, then it is alright no matter who else it hurts’. After all they shouldn’t get agitated so it wouldn’t be torture or harassment. Maybe he wanted to start his own little politically correct cult. People that think like the above statement should remember that it applies to them also.

A little more on the rules for posting here and psychology in general. Isn’t it funny (not really) how when someone repeatedly goads or harasses someone else, even after being asked to stop by that person, and then gets their rear end kicked, it is somehow the person doing the rear end kicking that supposedly has the problem? More PC crud. Also usage of the phrase “place where fecal matter is excreted from” kind of changes the fact that the word it replaces means something else. This would also apply to something like “copulation” you (which is not aimed at anyone just an example). Stating it this way implies doing something completely different than if the word it replaced was used.

Another thing I see in some posts is the term illuminati. Do you even know what it means or where it originated? The dictionary I have defines it as; persons claiming to have supernatural knowledge. There is no such thing as the supernatural. Also if you think you have supernatural knowledge, then who is it that is delusional? There is an article in a back issue of the U.S. Skeptic magazine, I believe it was from 1996, by Tim Callahan that shows the illuminati were cult members that broke off from the mainstream cults and formed their own little cults or secret societies, which all still fall into the religion is an atrocity category. No not everything in the article is correct, but he does seem to know the origins of the atrocities known as religions pretty well.

As for saying contact electrodes wouldn’t be considered mind control, you might want to check into some of the atrocities (usually called experiments) that have taken place at mental institutions. Both here and abroad. But to do that you will have to leave the ‘safety’ of this site and the others associated with the ‘people’ here. Said atrocities have included the use of electrodes in something known as electro-convulsive therapy and in what is now term electro-shock therapy along with brain-washing programs. Anyway, along these lines I will try to make a comparison that even you can comprehend. First though, a comparison is just that and it does not imply that I am suggesting what is used to make the comparison is what is being used in the psychotronic attacks. Do you understand how a regular wall phone works? It uses electrical signals. Yet anything that can be done with it using said electrical signals can be done with a cell phone which uses electromagnetic waves (radiation) for it’s signals. In fact even more can be done with the cell phone.

Some more on the comments about the article and it’s authors. I wonder what kind of delusions the people developing the atomic bomb had? After all they named the project Trinity. Unfortunately, the bombs did work. So by your ‘reasoning’ here, the fact that most torture devices were created by or for religions would mean that they didn’t work.

Now for the childish thread comments. Who started the name calling? It wasn’t me. You people started calling me a paranoid schizophrenic, then you try to turn it around and say I am childish for fighting back. What is your web site address? Or are you afraid of getting debunked? So I guess if a group of people or various groups of people or even various people within groups decided to gang up on you it would be more believable because you are sooooo important?

By the way, I don’t know if I was clear on this point but the torture by the psychotronic weaponry has not stopped. It continues even as I write this.

Anyway, I am not new at this and have dealt with the misdiagnosis and name calling stuff before. Even had the religious people that claim to be under attack (which I will give the benefit of the doubt to, until proven otherwise) call me one of the attackers or ‘perps’ as they call them. This for pointing out facts about their religion being an atrocity and the fact that their religion leads to a lot of false beliefs or claims that they attribute to weaponry or the ‘perps’. A couple of them also complained about the length of a few of my e-mails. It was an e-mail group. One of them even went so far as to say that she and whatever group she belongs to would try to discredit me. I have no intention of making that an easy thing to do for anyone. I sent that entire exchange in an attachment to the administrator of this forum, about five to ten minutes before posting this, for verification purposes and because of the aforementioned warning about foul language.

Now for the person posting the electromagnetic wave comment. First of all, electromagnetic waves (radiation) are not made of particles. Here are a few definitions for you that were posted elsewhere.

Phase space; an 'ideal' often multi-dimensional space of which the coordinate dimensions represent the variables required to specify the phase or state of a system or substance. (In other words make up what you need as you need it to prove a theory. Yes I realize the difference between multi-dimensional and extra-dimensional.)

Coordinate space; space in the usual sense of 3 dimensional geometry as distinguished from various symbolic phase spaces. (In other words, REALITY)

Symbolic; 1.of or relating to a symbol, 2.a) using, employing or exhibiting a symbol or expressed in symbols, b) consisting of a symbol, 3. of or relating to a lodge of freemasonry, 4.a) proceeding by means of symbols: SUBSTITUTING ABSTRACT REPRESENTATIONS FOR CONCRETE OBJECTS, b) characterized by or terminating in symbols instead of the things symbolized. (There were other definitions also. Personally I would rather stick with the concrete objects and the words or numbers represented.)

Complex number; a number or expression comprising both real and imaginary parts, of general form a+ib when a and b are both real numbers and i = the square root of negative one.

Momentum; a measure of the quantity of motion, defined as the product of the mass and the velocity of a body, and determining the length of time during which constant force must act on a moving body to bring it to rest. Momentum is a vector quantity parallel to the velocity vector. // (loosely) the force built up by a moving body.

So using the quantity of the mass of a photon (which doesn’t exist, I just wrote to make a point) and multiplying by the number of photons in a specific beam and then multiplying said quantity by the velocity of the beam one would get the momentum of said beam.

Mass; the property of a body that is a measure of its inertia and that is commonly taken as a measure of the amount of material it contains and causes it to have weight in a gravitational field.

So then a photon would need to have weight in a gravitational field to have mass and then a beam of light would also have weight. (These comments added for this post. By the way gravity does not bend light. Light does not have momentum. NASA’s light sail is a joke. Actually it is a cover-up to get a massive electromagnetic weapon system in space bypassing current restrictions against such things.)

Some other common sense facts about particles. To say a particle has no mass is in itself a contradiction. To be a particle, it would have to have boundaries. Said boundaries would have to have mass or all of the particles would blend together into one. Which means that they wouldn’t be particles. All electromagnetic radiation is in a waveform. Said electromagnetic radiation can generate enough heat to cause a disturbance in the atoms surrounding the wave. Said electromagnetic radiation can also sever molecules. Said electromagnetic radiation, when in the light spectrum, can also illuminate atoms or parts of atoms which when coupled with the heat effect may cause the appearance of a particle traveling in the wave. Radiation is a product of particle interaction. Particles are not a product of radiation interaction. Energy and mass are not interchangeable. Energy does not turn into mass and mass does not turn into energy. Before anyone replies, read how fusion and fission work. If something has no mass then it will not gain mass, regardless of what is done to it and if something has mass it will have mass regardless of how small of pieces it is broken into. Something else to consider, if electromagnetic radiation consisted of, or contained, particles then it would not be useable for broadcasting purposes. That means radio, television, cell phones, etc. I just got through explaining this to someone in a different discussion group.

Oh by the way, I was taking algebra (on my own time, in the classroom, with a book from my teacher) and the French language (on computers from the state because of the high scholastic achievement test scores of myself and four others) in the fourth grade. School just got real boring. According to the MENSA sponsored I.Q. test (I.Q. is a measure of how fast you are capable of learning not how much you know) on FOX, I scored a whopping 3 points lower than the highest scoring scientist in their studio. He scored 138, I scored 135. The test only allowed for a score of around 145. That said I think I shall turn my efforts back to the mind control weaponry and other abuses. However as always I will continue to keep an eye and ear open for other bull going on.

For those that would say that the psychotronic weaponry helps in learning, I also scored a 143 on my ASVAB test in February of 1982 when I was still 16 years old. The 143 translated into a 98 percentile. And personally even with the attacks, I thought the Fox show was a joke.

No, I am not stupid. However I would consider being called an intellectual an insult. I am also an atheist, which means that I do not believe in any sort of magic or supernatural powers. It also means that I follow no system of religious worship, nor do I believe in any gods, devils, universal beings, angels, demons, heavens, hells or a soul.
 
Oh mr james m. vierling jr you are quite the boffed character. Do you understand the difference between freedom of speech and outright abuse? talk about victim complex...
 
Number 1, it is not my web site. I have never had a web site and pretty much never wanted one. See, I lived my life just fine without a computer at all before I got my first one in 1998. And after the psychotronic weaponry is exposed, I can live the rest of my life without one. Wouldn’t bother me a bit. That would probably scare the crap out of you though wouldn’t it?

Number 2, now you want to compare me with an alcoholic. Wow so it is really amazing that I have several times in my life went months without touching any alcohol. Haven’t had a drop for two years. None of this happened during any of the aforementioned periods.

Number 3, If anyone in this forum is a danger to anything it is you people and the crap you push that is the danger to the minds of anyone reading it. About the only thing you people educate anyone on is the fact that there are so many idiots like you out there. You people won’t even ask yourselves why things outside of your little fantasy world happen. For example, why is it that there are no school books that point out the one hundred percent verified illegal experimentations by the government? You probably think that is a good thing. Have any of you even tried a freedom of information act request for MKUltra documents? What about the Tuskeegee syphilis experiments? Or they probably didn’t happen in your little delusional world.

Number 4, From what has been posted in this thread by you, I would have to say that you are not an educational forum. You are more of a cover-up of reality little cult. When education is not factual, it is not education.

Number 5, Why won’t your read the web page? Why won’t you read the web page? Why won’t you read the web page? Why won’t you read the patents? Why won’t you read the patents? Why won’t you read the patents? If you did read the web page you wouldn’t need to ask now would you?

Number 6, Your pathetic accusations of my mental health are nothing more than a feeble attempt to get anyone coming across this thread to not read the facts I posted. Or is that your point, you can’t handle facts.

Number 7, Anytime Mr. Randi wants to try and debunk the facts I posted in this thread about the psychotronic weaponry, he is welcome to try. You people need to figure out that religion and the crap that stems from is about the easiest thing there is to debunk. Same goes for pseudoscience like string theory and other similar symbolic physics. If people use a little thing called common sense they would realize that. There is something else that would frighten you, because then no one would fall for the garbage you push.

Number 8, Now I suppose you will say that Enron was not a conspiracy? It was. That type of conspiracy is called a conspiracy to defraud. By the way a conspiracy does not have to be governmental, but a lot have been. By definition the attempted cover-up in the Watergate scandal was a conspiracy. And no there is no alien spacecraft at Roswell or anywhere else, and most likely due to real physics, there never has been. But here is another factual conspiracy, the cover-up of the pedophiles in the Catholic (there in all of them) church. Or didn’t that happen in your fantasy world either? Wouldn’t want to educate children, or parents with children, about that now would you?

Number 9, Some other things that you would probably want to keep quiet. The CIA trained Bin Laden. The U.S. government gave Saddam the chemical and biological agents to start his weapons program. The U.S. aided in the installment of the Taliban government and furnished them with weapons. These are the same people that when the Soviets went to war with them, the U.S. rushed to their aid in the name of freedom and democracy. Maybe they wanted a pre-emptive strike. Wonder if any of that will show up in the history or civics books? Here is a big one the Russians were not communists, they were socialists. Big difference. China is not communist, it is a socialist and military dictatorship. No I am not a Marxist, but I do know the difference. Another fact, Russia’s so-called atheist government was not full of atheists. It was basically the same thing as the separation of church and state that is supposed to happen here in the U.S. Hitler was not an atheist, he simply took a scientific fact, evolution, and twisted it to fit a religion. Wow there is a first.

Number 10 you mean psychological abuse. Like what religion does to children.
 

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