psychotronic weaponry

[Suezoled]

I just get the feeling no matter how kindly one treats James, it won't make him listen. He will find something to be angry about, even if it's ranting about the weaponry that is trying to control him. If you listen to him, he will use you as a sounding board. If you don't agree with him, you will be an enemy (obviously) and someone to fly in a rage over. No matter what, it will feed him, so long as he doesn't think he has any psych issues.

 

[Beleth]

If I could, I would contact whomever he knows that could drive him to the hospital with the post he made printed out and handed to the mental health professionals. They would take it seriously.

Hear Hear.

Where I work we have a policy of "assumed responsibility." It goes like this: if you see a problem, you are automatically responsible for getting that problem fixed, whether it's something you can fix or not. If you can't fix it, you are responsible for seeking out and alerting someone who can. I try to apply this policy to everyday life as much as I can.

Mr. Vierling has a problem. We know this. Do you believe we should get it fixed? If so, there are steps we can take to at least locate the fellow.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Hear Hear.

Where I work we have a policy of "assumed responsibility." It goes like this: if you see a problem, you are automatically responsible for getting that problem fixed, whether it's something you can fix or not. If you can't fix it, you are responsible for seeking out and alerting someone who can. I try to apply this policy to everyday life as much as I can.

Mr. Vierling has a problem. We know this. Do you believe we should get it fixed? If so, there are steps we can take to at least locate the fellow.

Hey, if we can at least do that, I would encourage it. Maybe he already is living in a group home or something since he has to go to the library to use the computer (one of the reasons for my questions-trying to find out how he gets income and why he doesn't have a computer at home).

There may be some people who need to know what he is doing online.

Thank you.

 

[Cleopatra]

I looked too. Omigod.

Before this goes any further, could I please repeat what I said about Lyndale (LightPiercingDarkness).

Schizophrenia.

No amount of arguing will shift such a person from his irrational fixed belief. All it can do is make the condition worse. I hope we can avoid doing that.

Rolfe.

At the beginning of this thread, Rolfe posted that only to be ignored.James' condition was made worse indeed. Kudos!

 

[smoke]

At the beginning of this thread, Rolfe posted that only to be ignored.James' condition was made worse indeed. Kudos!

Right, we made him more schizophrenic (please note heavy sarcasm and disdain)???? Next.

Yes, has anyone talked to the admin's about trying to contact appropriate agencies in his community? That probably is his real name and he might have given his location when he registered. If not, they might be able to locate him thru IP address.

If anyone is pursuing this, please let us know.

And, wow, Eos, I can't imagine growing up in that kind of an environment. It must have been incredibly difficult. My hat's off to you. I hope things are going well for you now and that your mom will eventually get the treatment she needs.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Right, we made him more schizophrenic (please note heavy sarcasm and disdain)???? Next.

Yes, has anyone talked to the admin's about trying to contact appropriate agencies in his community? That probably is his real name and he might have given his location when he registered. If not, they might be able to locate him thru IP address.

If anyone is pursuing this, please let us know.

And, wow, Eos, I can't imagine growing up in that kind of an environment. It must have been incredibly difficult. My hat's off to you. I hope things are going well for you now and that your mom will eventually get the treatment she needs.

Thanks smoke. I'm doing great, and I am the person I am because of all that, so It's not all bad.

I really don't think she will ever get help while my brothers are still 'helping' her. But it's their choice, and I respect it. They respect mine.

It would be interesting to hear more about james' background, but he's not talk talking.

Oh well.

 

[Cleopatra]

Right, we made him more schizophrenic (please note heavy sarcasm and disdain)???? Next.

And what exactly did you offer to this person dear new member?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

And what exactly did you offer to this person dear new member?

Hey Cleo,

It wouldn't have mattered who did what. I pushed the issue because I could predict what the outcome would be. If I was wrong it would have been very apparent. Thing is, it was obvious early on that the guy wasn't quite right with things.

His condition cannot be made worse by anything. I've asked Rouser and steve the same kind questions when it comes to their posts, and they didn't make death threats. They just persisted in their theories, and gave a little back. If someone wants to go on about something with flimsy evidence, they should be able to take direct questions and work on their stance. If they are right, they will just be strengthening their position.

james on the other hand will always get angry if we "don't believe him". We're supposed to think he is all knowing and superior to us in his intellect because he has it "figured out".

If james can't take what any regular person will get when posting outrageous claims, then he is welcome to freak out.

I've already posted why, at length.

Anyone is welcome to disagree. I'm just relating my experience.

 

[Pyrrho]

User "james m. vierling jr" has been suspended from the JREF Forum for repeat violation of the language rules and for threats of violence. This suspension will remain in effect for a minimum of three days.

This suspension has been lifted. Mr. Vierling's privileges have been reinstated.

 

[Rolfe]

If james can't take what any regular person will get when posting outrageous claims, then he is welcome to freak out.

I'm not going to press the point that arguing might exacerbate his condition, because I'm not qualified to have such an opinion. Eos is obviously well qualified, from deeply unfortunate personal experience.

However, since we know what's going on, is it necessary to have the argument with him? We know he'll never change, and we know why. The argument is poisonous. Can't we just stop?

OK, I could (and should) just go away. Unfortunately it also has something of the awful fascination of a car crash.

Rolfe.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Thing is, I'm not arguing. Not that I can see. Just asking questions.

Otherwise, what if we want to counter a point with a fact?

We just don't do it?

Why do we have to treat him differently than anyone else?

That would only make him feel superior-that everyone is agreeing with him. That he made us see how true this mind control thing is.


Sure, I'll stop asking about the schizophrenia, but like I said, he's still going to fly off the handle.

 

[Rolfe]

Thing is, I'm not arguing. Not that I can see. Just asking questions.

Some people are arguing, though. And while I'd always defer to your special knowledge of how to act around someone like James, I'm not sure many of the arguers have that knowledge.

Of course, it may well not matter a jot to James. He's going to be the way he is no matter what anyone says. Just like Lyndale. But are we doing ourselves any favours by engaging with him?

Rolfe.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Some people are arguing, though. And while I'd always defer to your special knowledge of how to act around someone like James, I'm not sure many of the arguers have that knowledge.

Of course, it may well not matter a jot to James. He's going to be the way he is no matter what anyone says. Just like Lyndale. But are we doing ourselves any favours by engaging with him?

Rolfe.

Always something to think about. I would refrain from taunting and arguing for sure. That won't help any, but just reaffirm to him how *&#$*# (whatever he called us all) we are.

Will be interesting to see if he bothers to show up again.

 

[Yahweh]

At the beginning of this thread, Rolfe posted that only to be ignored.James' condition was made worse indeed. Kudos!

Disappointing isnt it...

 

[Yahweh]

Gee, BillH, here i was thinking you were over 14! Totally fooled me!

Exactly what do you hope to gain by taunting this poor man like this?
Sheesh. That's disgusting.

That's our BILL!

*Drumroll, cymbol crash*

[/cynicalsatire]

 

[Cleopatra]

Hey Cleo,

It wouldn't have mattered who did what. I pushed the issue because I could predict what the outcome would be. If I was wrong it would have been very apparent. Thing is, it was obvious early on that the guy wasn't quite right with things.

I couldn't tell the difference between a schizophrenic and I troll but since you Rolfe did I took your word for it. If James was a troll *maybe* he 'd deserve a special treatment but since he is not a troll and he is just a person who suffers why did we have to treat him that way.

This is my question.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

I couldn't tell the difference between a schizophrenic and I troll but since you Rolfe did I took your word for it. If James was a troll *maybe* he 'd deserve a special treatment but since he is not a troll and he is just a person who suffers why did we have to treat him that way.

This is my question.

That's just it. I didn't treat him any differently than I did anyone else posting outrageous claims. I didn't taunt him, or call him a liar. I posed questions and countered claims.

I'm not going to treat him any differently just because he has a temper tantrum.

I threw in a few questions about why he doesn't have a job. That to show how paranoid and easily angered one like him is. If he weren't ill, he would have answered them in whatever way (even told me to mind my own business), and I wouldn't care. I just happened to get the predicted reaction.

Others treated him the same as they would if he weren't ill either.

If he can't take it, then he needs help, and can't expect us to appease his paranoia.

 

[Cleopatra]

That's just it. I didn't treat him any differently than I did anyone else posting outrageous claims. I didn't taunt him, or call him a liar. I posed questions and countered claims.

I'm not going to treat him any differently just because he has a temper tantrum.

Wait a minute Eos. If you intended to treat him the way you'd treat any irrational person why did you mention that he is schizophrenic?

Are shizophrenics just "temper tantrums "?
.

Others treated him the same as they would if he weren't ill either.

If he can't take it, then he needs help, and can't expect us to appease his paranoia.

In this forum we have treated with understanding people that have said that they suffer from depression I expected that we'd show some understanding to somebody who is not well.

May I tell you what I think?Honestly and with all my respect?

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Wait a minute Eos. If you intended to treat him the way you'd treat any irrational person why did you mention that he is schizophrenic?

Are shizophrenics just "temper tantrums "?
.



In this forum we have treated with understanding people that have said that they suffer from depression I expected that we'd show some understanding to somebody who is not well.

May I tell you what I think?Honestly and with all my respect?

Thank you for your questions, and the chance to respond.

Hey, I was the one dancing around the word "schizophrenic" until the guy brought it up specifically. Others didn't take on that tactic.

The guy was schizophrenic and stating it should be allowed. I only finally put that word in my posts after reading others already had.

The guy had a temper tantrum. That's plain and obvious. Not all schizophrenics do-when they are medicated. If they are not medicated they are prone to freaking out on you. You have the right to not put up with that.


IF I came on her all depressed and suicidal, I'm sure people would tell me as much. I'd hope they wouldn't put up with whining and moaning and crying. Heck, I hope they wouldn't.

I'd rather hear

"hey we can't help you, go see a therapist".

If I throw a fit, that's my problem. If I call you all a bunch of you know whats for not patting me on the head and saying poor baby everday, then I deserve to be banned. This is abuse, and nobody has to stand for it.

James made the decision to make threats. It's his problem.

 

[T'ai Chi]

Gee, BillH, here i was thinking you were over 14! Totally fooled me!

Exactly what do you hope to gain by taunting this poor man like this?
Sheesh. That's disgusting.

It isn't ok to make fun, unless you are him, then it is ok to make fun.