Merged Psychology of Conspiracy Theoriests

Loaded question is loaded.

How so? He believes the government is lacking in ability to do something (my emphasis, his words). The question posed to him is simple because it asks him what abilities the government are lacking in, in his opinion, based off the statement that "There is little doubt that the power elite wants to do all sorts of stuff; but wanting to do something is not the same as having the ability to something." It is a natural response to that statement.
 
So tell us how you personally figure out when the mainstream media is telling the truth and when it's spewing propaganda. If it's not that complicated to understand, it shouldn't be very hard for you to explain.

I've never seen a formula for the deciphering of the trove of information all around us, but I know certain things, like what has once been thought impossible has been proven otherwise, which is a core concept of the field of history itself -- it isn't always made of concrete, it often enough is quite malleable as new information/evidence is discovered. Another thing of note is that there is a relationship between the government and the media just like the government has relationships with other industries. While I don't subscribe to the notion that the press is controlled in a totalitarian manner (absolutely controlled), there are many examples throughout the years that have showed a relationship much closer than comfort allows. I understand the complicated nature of things, though, that the media has the power to stir up emotions or cause legitimate harm to national security. I grew up believing and being taught that the U.S. was the freest country ever and that the freedom naturally extended into our press, the freest press on the planet. Well, that's not true. We're not even in the top ten or twenty anymore. I wish that we were. But the situation is too complicated and delicate for that trend to reverse.

But deciphering what's said between what's legitimately real and believable to not legitimate and not believable, I suppose, would vary from one person to another, given the fact of different levels of attained knowledge or logical thought process. Take vampires for instance, you know, Dracula? Has the U.S. Congress ever investigated vampires? No. No they have not. But they have investigated UFOs. And more than once. To me, that lends more credence to the notion of UFOs and no credence to the notion of vampires. The moon landing hoax is another one. There were no investigations by the U.S. Congress to determine the legitimacy of NASA putting man on the moon. No blue-ribbon panel either. There haven't been legitimate calls in the press, by the press or any one with a shred of credibility, to open up a debate about the moon landing. But that phenomena exists in the JFK assassination. We know that the government isn't withholding evidence about the faked moon landing because we know NASA put men on the moon and did so more than once. But we know the government is withholding information about the JFK assassination and there wasn't a uniform consensus among government officials, even as high ranking as POTUS, to doubt the explanation offered by the Warren Commission. It also exists in 9/11.

Without being read into the system myself, I'll openly admit that I cannot give you an equation to how to know whether they are right or wrong. I am not arrogant enough to suggest otherwise. Having read as many articles as I have, there are traits and characteristics of the media like any person can notice in other industries, like professional sports. Fans know about their favorite team. Watching a player from their debut to their retirement, as so many fans have done, has given them an insight to that player's actions visibly demonstrated for potentially thousands of games. The player's mannerisms will be known, like a boxing fan can tell when the fighters are pissed off or when they're hurt, acting or exhausted. With enough exposure, a person can get that kind of familiarity with the media/journalists. They have told us often that they've withheld information at the request of the government or some other concerned party, but they've also told us that they've gone against the government's wishes (or some other concerned party) and published the information anyway, sometimes even taking the matter to court, which happened with the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War. We've seen the media side with the government about wars and we've seen some resistance too. We've seen the media ask tough questions and demonstrate an urge to dig deeper and we've seen the media quote an official and not ask any follow up questions.

In theory, when the media is going to the mat against the government is when I suspect that more truthful information comes out. Essentially, it is a battle for information. It is a segment of the relationship between the two -- access to information. There are many recorded instances, even current ones with the Obama administration, where the White House has denied access to a media company because they were/are unhappy with what they have reported or continue to report. Basically, politics and normal human emotional responses -- "They said mean things about me!" Another aspect I look for is saturation reporting. The media saturates on certain topics most of the time -- sex scandals, race issues, school shootings, weather -- but they don't harbor spotlights too often on matters relevant to national security. Typically when they do however, there is a there there. Something of real substance to the story. When they provide documentation, be it still classified or declassified, it solidifies the case more than just quips from anonymous officials not able to speak publicly about X, Y or Z. Other times though, one or maybe two media companies will drop a bombshell story that isn't widely covered or given prime time attention on the morning or evening news. Gone just as quickly as it showed up.
 
Because you're the one who chopped up someone else's proposition into categories and expected a properly compartmentalized answer.



That doesn't make it a useful or proper response.

Then what would be an example of "a useful or proper response" if the natural response to what was said is unsatisfactory? He said the elite lack the ability to do what they want. Explain how responding to that by asking what abilities he believes the elite do not have to accomplish their desires isn't a useful or proper response, please.
 
I've never seen a formula for the deciphering of the trove of information all around us...

So perhaps it's not as straightforward as you imply.

In contrast I've seen many formulas for deciphering the world around us with the intent of determining what is most likely true. These formulas go collectively by the name of "critical thinking."

But deciphering what's said between what's legitimately real and believable to not legitimate and not believable, I suppose, would vary from one person to another, given the fact of different levels of attained knowledge or logical thought process.

No, there is no such thing as a private reality. I do, however, accept the premise that one's level of attained knowledge and one's ability to think critically apply.

Without being read into the system myself, I'll openly admit that I cannot give you an equation to how to know whether they are right or wrong.

Yeah, that's obvious from your lengthy and largely irrelevant non-answer. But that's also not what I asked for. My question was how you personally figure out the difference. I didn't ask you to invent a working objective filter for the media. I'm asking you to describe your personal filter.

In theory, when the media is going to the mat against the government is when I suspect that more truthful information comes out.

Explain why that's reliable. You give examples of when you think this has happened, but the examples don't answer my question.

Typically when they do however, there is a there there. Something of real substance to the story.

Explain how you know there is substance. I agree with you that the media is sometimes sensationalist, but I don't believe that's a hallmark specifically of the mainstream media.

Other times though, one or maybe two media companies will drop a bombshell story that isn't widely covered...

How do you know that's not just competitive commercial journalism?

So far your filter seems to accept:

(1) when the mainstream media challenges the government,
(2) when the mainstream media covers certain topics you feel are important, and
(3) when one channel of the mainstream media emphasizes a story the others ignore.

Can you go into more detail about why the mainstream media would be more credible in those instances than otherwise?

Oddly enough, you give lip service to the notion of informing yourself on topics so that you can determine whether media sources are reporting honestly. Did you follow that policy with HAARP, for example?

You also give lip service to the notion of critical thinking, yet you seem to resist and resent efforts by others to apply critical thinking to your claims.
 
I've never seen a formula for the deciphering of the trove of information all around us, but I know certain things,
Yet somehow you claim to be able to accurately do that very thing. Please explain how it is that you do it. because so far it appears that anything you agree with is sacrosanct and anything you do not agree with must perforce be propaganda.

like what has once been thought impossible has been proven otherwise,
Such as?
which is a core concept of the field of history itself -- it isn't always made of concrete, it often enough is quite malleable as new information/evidence is discovered.
Now you are conflating History and Science. These are not the same things and a moments thought would inform you why they are not. You seem unwilling to even expend that moment.

Another thing of note is that there is a relationship between the government and the media just like the government has relationships with other industries.
Well duh.

While I don't subscribe to the notion that the press is controlled in a totalitarian manner (absolutely controlled),
You have claimed that very thing elsewhere in no uncertain terms. Are you now disavowing those prior claims?

there are many examples throughout the years that have showed a relationship much closer than comfort allows.
Name them.

I understand the complicated nature of things, though,
Clearly you do not.

that the media has the power to stir up emotions or cause legitimate harm to national security.
What media? Whose nation? What national security? The other 95% of the world wants to know.

I grew up believing and being taught that the U.S. was the freest country ever and that the freedom naturally extended into our press, the freest press on the planet. Well, that's not true.
I grew up believing in Santa Claus. Turns out Santa Claus is not true either.

We're not even in the top ten or twenty anymore.
That's because you persist in electing crackpots. If you continue to elect crackpots to office, you will continue to get crackpot policies.

I wish that we were.
Those very same crackpots that you persist in electing have ensured that you must rent a seat on a Russian Soyuz to get to the ISS. As long as the US public continues to elect such morons I have little sympathy. As things stand right now, the US must beg a lift on a 60 year old solution.

But the situation is too complicated and delicate for that trend to reverse.
Fine. The remaining 95.5% of the world will watch as the US descends into technological obscurity. We cannot make you stop doing it.

But deciphering what's said between what's legitimately real and believable to not legitimate and not believable, I suppose, would vary from one person to another, given the fact of different levels of attained knowledge or logical thought process.
Really? When people are actively attempting to force creationism an ID to be taught in schools as science?

Take vampires for instance, you know, Dracula? Has the U.S. Congress ever investigated vampires? No. No they have not. But they have investigated UFOs. And more than once. To me, that lends more credence to the notion of UFOs and no credence to the notion of vampires.
Vampires are not real. Unidentified aerial phenomena are. No UAP has ever been found to be evidence of little green men with a fetish for country yokels bums.

The moon landing hoax is another one. There were no investigations by the U.S. Congress to determine the legitimacy of NASA putting man on the moon. No blue-ribbon panel either. There haven't been legitimate calls in the press, by the press or any one with a shred of credibility, to open up a debate about the moon landing.
Why would there be? There has never been any shred of evidence for anything which need examination.

But that phenomena exists in the JFK assassination. We know that the government isn't withholding evidence about the faked moon landing because we know NASA put men on the moon and did so more than once. But we know the government is withholding information about the JFK assassination and there wasn't a uniform consensus among government officials, even as high ranking as POTUS, to doubt the explanation offered by the Warren Commission. It also exists in 9/11.
What is being withheld? How would you know? If it is withheld, you cannot, which leaves only idle speculation and innuendo.

Without being read into the system myself, I'll openly admit that I cannot give you an equation to how to know whether they are right or wrong. I am not arrogant enough to suggest otherwise.
Yet here you are suggesting otherwise.

Having read as many articles as I have, there are traits and characteristics of the media like any person can notice in other industries, like professional sports. Fans know about their favorite team. Watching a player from their debut to their retirement, as so many fans have done, has given them an insight to that player's actions visibly demonstrated for potentially thousands of games. The player's mannerisms will be known, like a boxing fan can tell when the fighters are pissed off or when they're hurt, acting or exhausted. With enough exposure, a person can get that kind of familiarity with the media/journalists.
Sports therefore global conspiracies? Really?

They have told us often that they've withheld information at the request of the government or some other concerned party, but they've also told us that they've gone against the government's wishes (or some other concerned party) and published the information anyway, sometimes even taking the matter to court, which happened with the Pentagon Papers during the Vietnam War. We've seen the media side with the government about wars and we've seen some resistance too. We've seen the media ask tough questions and demonstrate an urge to dig deeper and we've seen the media quote an official and not ask any follow up questions.
Sure, and irresponsible journalistic premature revelations have resulted in agents in the field dying. That is why governments don't show their hand. It's not rocket magic.

In theory, when the media is going to the mat against the government is when I suspect that more truthful information comes out. Essentially, it is a battle for information. It is a segment of the relationship between the two -- access to information.
Covert operations are compromised by prodnoses.

There are many recorded instances, even current ones with the Obama administration, where the White House has denied access to a media company because they were/are unhappy with what they have reported or continue to report. Basically, politics and normal human emotional responses -- "They said mean things about me!"
When the SEALs went in and took out OBL should everyone have been forewarned? What effect would that have had on the outcome?

Another aspect I look for is saturation reporting. The media saturates on certain topics most of the time -- sex scandals, race issues, school shootings, weather -- but they don't harbor spotlights too often on matters relevant to national security.
Because national security matter do not sell. Your average couch potato would prefer to watch "Survivor" or whatever. Media outlets simply respond to what the market demands.

Typically when they do however, there is a there there. Something of real substance to the story. When they provide documentation, be it still classified or declassified, it solidifies the case more than just quips from anonymous officials not able to speak publicly about X, Y or Z. Other times though, one or maybe two media companies will drop a bombshell story that isn't widely covered or given prime time attention on the morning or evening news. Gone just as quickly as it showed up.
Either the media do or do not reveal bombshell stories. You have now claimed both. Which is it?
 
We see exactly the same response about science and scientists, academia and academics.

Academics and scientists are all either in on [insert scam here] or are dupes of the system that suppresses information.

Until someone thinks they have a peer reviewed paper that proves [insert conspiracy nonsense here].

Science is just a way of suppressing the true path to knowledge, until it uncovers something that the CT believes in.
 
Where does this lack of ability exist? It certainly isn't on moral grounds. So what technical abilities, in your opinion, are lacking?

Looking at just the first two pages of this sub-forum:

The technology necessary to control weather at a continental scale, or even a county level, using only electricity does not exist.

The technology necessary to control or even influence a population by adding fluoride to tap water does not exist.

The technology necessary to control, influence, or even sicken a population by releasing chemicals at 40,000 feet (Chemtrails) does not exist.
Or more precisely, the technologies nessary to perform those tasks without leaving any tangible evidence does not exist.
 
Or more precisely, the technologies nessary to perform those tasks without leaving any tangible evidence does not exist.

That's where I was hoping you'd take it. Dividing the question up into "technology" and "morality" loads it with preconceptions, as some have observed.

Unless you're writing a bad James Bond plotline, you can't simply paint the "power elite" as one-dimensionally immoral, or even amoral, all the time, in every way. Self-preservation still exists, and that still prevents people from doing in extraordinarily stupid ways things they might abstractly want to do. Conspiracy theories often accuse people of extrajudicial activity, but just as often in real life we see people gaming the various systems to get what they want without violating laws or regulations. It may lack moral justification anyway, but what it says is that you don't have to be pure evil in order to be worrisome. As long as there exists any sort of need to "get away" with what you're doing, there will exist some natural limit to your ability to do it. Those aren't necessarily limited to "technology."
 
Because a duality exists. The media does not strictly tell the truth or lies all of the time. They lie, tell the truth and fall somewhere in between with lies and truth mixed together. Nothing complicated to understand.

First, you should understand how news is gathered, disseminated, edited, and then broadcast or printed. You have not demonstrated this. Reporters have deadlines, and it is laughable to believe they can marry the news to some hidden agenda accurately every day - even Fox News can't do that and that is their mission. You get the story, confirm the story, write the story, edit the story, and if there's time (if it's TV or radio) or space (print) it runs to the public.

Today's news media is not as good as it was 30 years ago because there are fewer reporters, news papers, and independent news affiliates across the country. Their not controlled, they're overworked, understaffed, underpaid, and attract a lower standard of professional than they used to.

Then there's the issue of the news itself.

In 1989 we had the Loma Prieta earthquake out here, and I was amazed at how the news both under reported the event while at the same time blowing certain aspects out of proportion. But when you factor in the fact that a 200-mile long by 70 mile wide stretch of northern California was affected the simple fact is that is that at some point the news became redundant, and there was a lot of ground to cover that couldn't be.
 
I see conspiracy theories as "information age religions". Every aspect of religion is in there: belief in a higher power (in form of all powerful conspirators), proselytizing (did I spell that right?), creation of meaning in ultimately meaningless events and of course the promise of deliverance once everybody is convinced and the conspiracy uncovered, leaving more "worthy" people to wield the conspirators powers.

In extreme forms of conspiracism, you will encounter a sort of dualistic millenialism that is, in effect, indistinguishable from its Christian counterpart. In this narrative, the bad guys oppress the good guys for centuries, then there is a series of escalating conflicts running up to a final, global battle between the forces of absolute good and absolute evil. The good guys win, leading to a thousand years of paradise. The really vile "race war" types, some of the alien people, and the preppers all subscribe to something like this.
 
But more to the point, conspiracy theorists don't like the prospect of being in the mainstream. Ironically that means they don't want to win the debate either, at least in the sense of having their hypothesis widely accepted and believed. That would make their theory the mainstream, and then they'd just be a few voices among millions. There's no thrill there, no payoff.

Nobody roots for Goliath; they root for David. The thrill of conspiracism is the belief in being right, but also being in a small minority who is right, having triumphed (or in the process of triumphing) over insurmountable opposition.

When you understand this, you realize the purpose of debate among conspiracy theorists is not to test ideas or resolve ambiguity, but to prolong the debate. Conspiracy theorists don't fear being wrong. They fear being irrelevant.
There's a strong martyr's complex among Conspiracy Mythologists. They want to be laughed at and ridiculed so they can play their silly Galileo's Gambit card.
 
Where does this lack of ability exist? It certainly isn't on moral grounds. So what technical abilities, in your opinion, are lacking?

The type of human actor infrastructure required to carry out grand conspiracy only exists in popular fiction.

Show me one human endeavor where there is no dissension, no public disclosure and no leaks and it doesn't need to be derring-do.

It's a miracle if 4 guys can form a band, get signed and put out a good record, and then stay together - think about it, how hard is it for four guys to get along when they're not running into burning buildings or getting shot at?

There are two books available now from ST 6 operators on the OBL op that disagree on the details - two legitimate participants don't agree on what happened and they for sure weren't doing something that most Americans would find questionable.

How in the world can people believe that groups of 100's to 1,000's could conspire to pull off the operations that the CT'ers love to promote and never fail and never disclose their involvement?

I'll remind folks again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_B._Rheault

Bob Rheault was the CO of the 5th SFG in Vietnam and was charged with murder in a case where a SVN civilian was identified as a double agent for SVN and the NVA. He was shot in the head and dropped off a Helio into the South China Sea. When the man had the bad taste to wash up on shore Rheault and a bunch of senior NCO's were charged with murder.

To sum it up, the CO and a bunch of senior NCO's failed to pull off a clean murder of a double agent in the middle of a war zone - in CT'er world, Presidents on down are fair game in broad daylight and 9/11 was an inside job, but Bob Rheault couldn't get away clean in the middle of a war zone.

How's that work?
 
The type of human actor infrastructure required to carry out grand conspiracy only exists in popular fiction.
Show me one human endeavor where there is no dissension, no public disclosure and no leaks and it doesn't need to be derring-do.
It's a miracle if 4 guys can form a band, get signed and put out a good record, and then stay together - think about it, how hard is it for four guys to get along when they're not running into burning buildings or getting shot at?

There are two books available now from ST 6 operators on the OBL op that disagree on the details - two legitimate participants don't agree on what happened and they for sure weren't doing something that most Americans would find questionable.

How in the world can people believe that groups of 100's to 1,000's could conspire to pull off the operations that the CT'ers love to promote and never fail and never disclose their involvement?
I'll remind folks again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_B._Rheault

Bob Rheault was the CO of the 5th SFG in Vietnam and was charged with murder in a case where a SVN civilian was identified as a double agent for SVN and the NVA. He was shot in the head and dropped off a Helio into the South China Sea. When the man had the bad taste to wash up on shore Rheault and a bunch of senior NCO's were charged with murder.

To sum it up, the CO and a bunch of senior NCO's failed to pull off a clean murder of a double agent in the middle of a war zone - in CT'er world, Presidents on down are fair game in broad daylight and 9/11 was an inside job, but Bob Rheault couldn't get away clean in the middle of a war zone.

How's that work?

1. What do you mean by 'human actor infrastructure'?

2. You're asking me to prove a negative -- something not known by anyone. I suppose what I do in the bathroom when no one is home (assuming there is no listening devices ;)) would be an example of that.

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3. So you're of the opinion that a large group of people can never, ever, keep a secret or do anything that is suggested in any conspiracy theory ever?
 
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2. You're asking me to prove a negative -- something not known by anyone. I suppose what I do in the bathroom when no one is home (assuming there is no listening devices ;)) would be an example of that.

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3. So you're of the opinion that a large group of people can never, ever, keep a secret or do anything that is suggested in any conspiracy theory ever?

Jango, this semantic nitpicking is really not productive. With respect to BStrong, allow me to rephrase:
Show me one human endeavour where everyone has agreed and where the information has been contained within the group.
No need to prove a negative now, so you can give an example.
Furthermore, I think it was quite clear that BStrong was talking about a group endeavour, not a solitary one. Your bathroom example is clearly not what he meant, and I suspect you knew that. However, the image it conjours up, of you disagreeing with yourself in the bathroom, is both amusing and slightly disturbing.
For your third point, you ask BStrong to prove a negative. I thought you didn't like that?
 
Jango, this semantic nitpicking is really not productive.

Then say what you want to say better.

With respect to BStrong, allow me to rephrase:
Show me one human endeavour where everyone has agreed and where the information has been contained within the group.

Conversations between my father, my mother and myself. :D

No need to prove a negative now, so you can give an example.

You're still asking me to prove a negative, because you're not meaning family or personal relations, which is a logical answer BTW, but you're looking for something of a much larger scale, which means that if I am not personally involved with it, I couldn't possibly know one way or another because it is in fact an Unknown Unknown.

But if I was on the inside of some super secret information and claimed that, then you'd be all over me to create the information chain for you one piece at a time. If I said that the information was private and you don't have a need to know, you'd cry foul and demand that I tell you anyway because otherwise you won't believe me, forget any sort of loyalties and responsibilities I have to safeguard said requested information.

So at either end we have: prove a negative or be disloyal.

Furthermore, I think it was quite clear that BStrong was talking about a group endeavour, not a solitary one. Your bathroom example is clearly not what he meant, and I suspect you knew that. However, the image it conjours up, of you disagreeing with yourself in the bathroom, is both amusing and slightly disturbing.

Yes, he did ask me to prove a negative. And yes, I did know what he was asking me but my answer was/is nevertheless the logical one. As to the last sentence, What?

For your third point, you ask BStrong to prove a negative. I thought you didn't like that?

I didn't ask him to prove a negative. I asked him if his opinion is: "that a large group of people can never, ever, keep a secret or do anything that is suggested in any conspiracy theory ever?" He had insinuated a global claim. I was wanting to get confirmation on it.
 
Then say what you want to say better.



Conversations between my father, my mother and myself. :D

You're still asking me to prove a negative, because you're not meaning family or personal relations, which is a logical answer BTW, but you're looking for something of a much larger scale, which means that if I am not personally involved with it, I couldn't possibly know one way or another because it is in fact an Unknown Unknown.
But if I was on the inside of some super secret information and claimed that, then you'd be all over me to create the information chain for you one piece at a time. If I said that the information was private and you don't have a need to know, you'd cry foul and demand that I tell you anyway because otherwise you won't believe me, forget any sort of loyalties and responsibilities I have to safeguard said requested information.

So at either end we have: prove a negative or be disloyal.



Yes, he did ask me to prove a negative. And yes, I did know what he was asking me but my answer was/is nevertheless the logical one. As to the last sentence, What?



I didn't ask him to prove a negative. I asked him if his opinion is: "that a large group of people can never, ever, keep a secret or do anything that is suggested in any conspiracy theory ever?" He had insinuated a global claim. I was wanting to get confirmation on it.
1. I am not BStrong. In case you hadn't noticed.
2. A family conversation is quite clearly not an endeavour, as defined by the context of this discussion. Perhaps your little smiley is there to show you admit this is a silly example. Be that as it may, the point still stands, unless you are claiming that you have never disagreed with your parents, they have neither disagreed with you or with each other, and none of you have told anyone else (other relatives, friends) about these conversations. I think this most unlikely.
3. And yet you claim to know the US government is withholding information about the JFK assassination. You don't know what this information is, by definition, and I don't recall you saying you know who is withholding it, nor why. Sounds like an 'Unknown Unknown' to me.
As for my remark about what you do in the privacy of your bathroom when no-one else is at home: you may think it is perfectly normal to argue with yourself out loud in your bathroom, but I'm not sure many other people would. I for one don't. The point seemed clear to me. Do please ask if you want me to explain it again.
Finally, fewer of the false dichotomies, please. The reaction you ascribe to me about inside information is exactly that, and does not reflect my actual reaction. Which you know, of course, because we've been here before. Asking for evidence, with some kind of provenance, is not some kind of unfair trap.
 
1. I am not BStrong. In case you hadn't noticed.
2. A family conversation is quite clearly not an endeavour, as defined by the context of this discussion. Perhaps your little smiley is there to show you admit this is a silly example. Be that as it may, the point still stands, unless you are claiming that you have never disagreed with your parents, they have neither disagreed with you or with each other, and none of you have told anyone else (other relatives, friends) about these conversations. I think this most unlikely.
3. And yet you claim to know the US government is withholding information about the JFK assassination. You don't know what this information is, by definition, and I don't recall you saying you know who is withholding it, nor why. Sounds like an 'Unknown Unknown' to me.As for my remark about what you do in the privacy of your bathroom when no-one else is at home: you may think it is perfectly normal to argue with yourself out loud in your bathroom, but I'm not sure many other people would. I for one don't. The point seemed clear to me. Do please ask if you want me to explain it again.
Finally, fewer of the false dichotomies, please. The reaction you ascribe to me about inside information is exactly that, and does not reflect my actual reaction. Which you know, of course, because we've been here before. Asking for evidence, with some kind of provenance, is not some kind of unfair trap.

1. What’s in CIA’s secret JFK files? -- Troves of files on JFK assassination remain secret -- 50 years later, sealed JFK files still raise questions -- JFK Assassination Files On The CIA And Lee Harvey Oswald Still Classified After 50 Years -- Secrets: JFK files still classified -- Papers on Kennedy Assassination Are Unsealed, and '63 Is Revisited
Since thousands of C.I.A. records and other materials remain classified, pieces are still missing from the puzzle.

You know, just in case you missed anything that has been reported on this. ;)

2. Why do you think I argue with myself aloud in the bathroom? What are you trying to claim?
 
Here we go(dammit!) again:

Over the course of many years, I have several times confessed to assassinating JFK. Yes, I did it. I’m the culprit. I’m guilty. Me. I was in the window of the book depository with my mail-order 6.5 Carcano.*

So big deal. Old stuff. The question is, why don’t the JFK conspiratoids – and they’re like spiders, you’re never more than eight feet from one – ever believe me? I mean, jeeze you guys, what more do you want than a bald-faced confession?

Answer: They don’t want any solution at all, no confession, no perpetrator, no revelations, no uncovered conspiracy. They’ve built their revolting little playhouse, and nobody, by God nobody, is ever going to knock it down. They’re havin’ fun! Bleah! Giddadda yere!

But there’s also a second answer: I never present an iota of evidence to bolster my confession. I do nothing to convince anybody that I’m telling the truth.

And that’s significant: It shows that the JFKers really can assess the relative validity of claims about their pet murder. They really can weigh different arguments. And having done so, they willfully, deliberately, pervertedly reject not just my unevidenced (and clearly clownish) confession, but also all the long-established facts about this pathetic crime! Yes, they choose to swallow horsescheiss!

And I’ve been close enough to some of them to smell their breath.



*I was on the grassy knoll too. And across the plaza in a window nobody noticed – or if they did, my CIA cohorts took care of ‘em later. (I tried for the governor, but he was a tricky one. Ditto that dame in the pillbox hat. Oh well. A cheap gun = cheap shooting.)
 
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