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Psychic actually answering doubts...

chillzero

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Colin Fry is a tv psychic in the uk, hosting a show called the Sixth Sense.
Now, I have often complained about entried being removed from this site that raise any doubt about his abilities, or those of John Edwards on the same channel, but amazingly, someone posted a thread calling him a fake, and he has decided to answer it rather than remove it...

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001442.html

very interesting.

He has also agreed to be online in the New Year, answering any questions from anyone (so long as there is no abuse). Might be interesting to follow too.
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001443.html
 
Fascinating stuff cabby. Thanks for the links. Not much detail on the actual "enlightening" process though. Who turned on the lights? Who witnessed it? Who's making this claim?
 
Call me a cynic in this instance but I seriously doubt in the claims of these "materialisation mediums". I find it laughable that all phenomena need to happen in absolute darkness. At the same time though there are reports of a floating trumpet or supposedly entire people materialising out of ectoplasm. How exactly are THESE things OBSERVED if the seance is in ABSOLUTE darkness?
Let's not forget about those 'ghostly' hands touching people... Just what makes it so ghostly in the first place?

Please, this is such a pathetic hoax I am very surprised that people still flock to it.
 
ImpyTimpy said:
How exactly are THESE things OBSERVED if the seance is in ABSOLUTE darkness?
Luminous paint. Next question?

Let's not forget about those 'ghostly' hands touching people... Just what makes it so ghostly in the first place?
Filling a glove with ice. If a damp and cold hand is not ghostly in total darkness, then nothing is.
 
Keene book

Lamar Keene has his interesting book, "ThePsychic Mafia". He talks about how most of these guys and gals have a bad end...I get a little nervous about John Edwards, but I have my hopes that anyone that much of a sociopath will meet a "bad end"
 
Thanks for answering. If luminous paint is used, then there is a source of 'light' in the room, yet these mediums claim ANY source of light will disrupt the ectoplasm. Why is luminous paint ok to use and say not nightvision goggles?

LW said:

Luminous paint. Next question?


Filling a glove with ice. If a damp and cold hand is not ghostly in total darkness, then nothing is.
 
There's a standard set of tricks that fraudulent mediums use -- I've seen a tv show on them. The floating trumpet is a classic; the "tied down" medium simply lifts up the chair arms (which AREN'T fastened down) and lifts the trumpet with his own hands.

Voila.

Their shoes are designed so their feet easily slip in and out of the shoes so that they can manipulate things (including a magnet, which can slide things around on the table).

Here's a wonderful article about an expose that Houdini did which explains how a lot of the tricks are done:

http://www.cicap.org/en_artic/at101010.htm
 
trumpets

Lamar Keene in his book explains that the trumpet actually is expandable. So you can be sitting in your chair and expand the trumpet to up to 4 feet! He also had a trick so that someone could hold the trumpet in their hands and could feel the vibrations of the trumpet as the voices spoke....pretty boring when it was all explained.
 
With regard to physical mediums, I recommend Tony Cornell's "Investigating the Paranormal" if you have the time, and the money (rather expensive). He details some sittings he had with materialisation mediums, including one (Rita Gould) who had garnered quite a high reputation among some psychical researchers.
 
It seems to me that psychics have no problem with sceptics as long as they don't ask any awkward questions. Colin Fry does not like anyone that has a "bee in their bonnet", yet at school he said he had a most enquiring mind, and was always asking questions. By the way, there is going to be a program on mediums on BBC in February in the Everyman series, including Colin Fry, Gordon Smith and Robert Brown.
 
Another strange thing. See Psychic News Jan 4th 2003:-

David Thompson who by coincidence lives in Haywards Heath, the same place as Colin Fry, travelled up to a seance 5 hours' drive away with his wife.

Mr Thompson carefully showed the people present the self-locking cable ties which he insisted on using.

His wife fastened him securely to the wooden chair arms also. When it was all blacked out, the seance began. After 10 mins, there were physical manifestations, direct voice, and materialised forms walking among them. Trumpets flew, men, women and children walked amongst them.

I leave out a lot for convenience here, but "at the conclusion of our memorable seance, when the lights had been switched on again, we were to discover that the medium's cardigan, which prior to the seance had been fastened through the button holes with cable ties, had been reversed so that its front was at David's back, and its back was at his front. All other cable ties were as before - none had been disturbed, and they had to be cut with wire cutters in order to release him".

Can a scientist explain this to me please? Very interesting.
 
Pyrts said:
There's a standard set of tricks that fraudulent mediums use -- I've seen a tv show on them.
Comic books prior to the mid-1960s also used to be a good source of stories exposing "psychic" tricks.

Superman, for example, used to have fewer stories about supervillains and more stories about real-word evils (slumlords, exploitative capitalists, tabloid reporters, and various scam artists). A common story would have Clark Kent being invited to a phony seance and using his superpowers to see how the medium was really doing the stunts (which the reader then got to see too). Superman then either surreptitiously exposed the stunts, or (more commonly) put on a hoax that convinced the medium there really was something supernatural and got the medium to bring out all the money the fake had scammed to invest in Superman's scam, which Superman would then give back to all the phony's victims.

There were also various series, such as Dr. 13 the Ghost-Breaker (who specialized in de-bunking claims of the paranormal), and Roy Raymond (whose TV show "Strange But True" investigated strange claims, which generally turned out to be hoaxes although some were hoaxes where something was pretending to be a ghost and it turned out actually to be a space alien...).

What led to these stories becoming far less common is the rise of Marvel Comics in the 1960s, with the idea of a single universe with a consistent continuity in which all the characters lived.

Previously, comic characters lived in an odd multi-reality in which, in one story, Batman might team up with Superman (since they lived in the same reality) and in the very next Batman would be helpless against an alien invasion (since there was no Superman in Batman's reality.) This allowed a great variety of stories -- in one Batman could solve a seemingly supernatural crime, explaining to Robin that it had to be a trick because there are no such things as ghosts, and in another Batman and Robin could or defeat a curse or fight villains with supernatural powers.

Once the idea of a unified continuity, with each story having to fit in, became common, then either ghosts and magic and psychics existed or they didn't -- and once a story was published in which these things were real, it became hard to do ones in which they weren't. (Dr. 13 was re-defined, for example, as an example of someone determined to expose the supernatural as a fake despite the massive evidence all around him that it was real.)

I mention all this not simply to reminisce about comics (although that's fun too) but for a better reason. Comics once were, and could potentially be again, a resource in educating against superstition and scams.

Decades ago, a comic needed to have circulation in the hundreds of thousands to continue publishing (and some had sales of over a million copies per issue). Today a comic that sells 50,000 copies is doing well, and many comics are published with circulation of under 5,000.

Comic book writers and editors have long been known for being very interested in readers' opinions, and for being responsive to readers' concerns. If more skeptics bought, read, and wrote letters of comment to comics, there is a good chance of influencing the kinds of stories that appear there -- much better, I believe, than one's chance of affecting tv shows, movies, or other media.

If we lefties could use these techniques to take over comics and get more more blacks, more Asians, more women, more gays, and more socially-concerned heroes introduced (to the point that some conservatives wail about comics being part of the left-wing conspiracy), there is every chance that skeptics can do the same.
 
Muddy: Mr Thompson carefully showed the people present the self-locking cable ties which he insisted on using. ... His wife fastened him securely to the wooden chair arms also. When it was all blacked out, the seance began. ... Can a scientist explain this to me please?
Magician Ian Rowland has demonstrated on TV how this is done. The ends of the arms of the chair are not securely connected to the posts as most people would assume. David can simply raise the arm up off the post, slip the cable ties off the ends of the arms and proceed to do all manner of things with his free hands. And then when the show is near the end, he slips the cable ties back over the ends of the chair arms and reconnects the arms to the posts, giving the impression that his hands were securely fastened to the chair the whole time, when if fact they were not, even though the cable ties were never broken.
 
cabby said:
Colin Fry is a tv psychic in the uk, hosting a show called the Sixth Sense.
Now, I have often complained about entried being removed from this site that raise any doubt about his abilities, or those of John Edwards on the same channel, but amazingly, someone posted a thread calling him a fake, and he has decided to answer it rather than remove it...

http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001442.html

very interesting.

He has also agreed to be online in the New Year, answering any questions from anyone (so long as there is no abuse). Might be interesting to follow too.
http://www.livingtv.co.uk/ubb/Forum19/HTML/001443.html


Hi Cabby,

I use the livingTv forums quite regularly and have had lots of posts removed.
The forum is a joke as they now seem to only allow those who support Mr Fry to have their say.
Over the last few days I have had at least 10 posts removed because they question Colin Fry or his supporters.
Whatever happened to free speech??
I am completely disgusted with the attempts Colin Fry and Livingtv have gone to to cover up the truth including removing my posts, changing the contents of threads I have started and in the case of a user called Velmwend actually barring him from posting because he pointed out the similiarites between Colin Frys posts and that of one of his supporters called Wanda Witch.

To anyone thinking of going to this forum I can only say Dont waste your time.

Regards,
Druid.
 

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