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Psychic actually answering doubts...

It... It's gone...

My faith in humanity is GONE!

What kind of IDIOTS believe in darkroom mediums? Do these people pay for unsolicited items sent to them in the mail because they get a letter warning them they might be in trouble if they don't? Do they hand their bank account numbers to people from Nigeria via email? Do they put their nuts on an anvil and close their eyes because the fat, hooded, grinning guy with the huge mallet says he's 'got a surprise for them... you'll like it!'???

Well, that does it. I'm killing myself. Don't worry, I'll still post here... via my darkroom medium.
 
tbken
No, there ARE no "objective criteria" that would satisfy sceptics because their philosophy is "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up"
99% of our experiences from the time we are born are not under what you sceptics love to refer to as "controlled conditions".
That does not mean that we should disregard 99% of what we observe.
Go and get the evidence for yourself if you really are interested in the truth.
(On second thoughts, don't bother. You will only convince yourself that someone has suckered you.)
 
Showme2

Quote:

"Yep. Just like forums, you get all types in the spirit world.
A person's character does not change just because they die..."


Err...TOTALLY WRONG..

It appears that when people "Cross over" into the Spirit world..

1) They become stupid.

2) They need to be spoken to like children.

3) They forget everything that could actually 100%, prove who they really are...including their date of birth / telephone number / ATM card number / Address / what car they drove...what their dogs name was..etc..

4) They have nothing of any importance to say, even though in real life they could have been a world leader / Scientist / Doctor working in curing Cancer / Aids...etc

5) Begin behaving in a vague and non committal manner...even though, when they were alive, they were blunt and to the point.

6) They discriminate against people with disabilities.

So once again...

You talking bullsh*t..

DB

( PS..Its funny how murderers can get through...but i doubt if any medium has said..." Your Father...hung himself because he was a paedophile...didnt he...i can see a noose..."...

Murdering, torturing, evil bastards can get through...why the discrimination..???)
 
tbken
No, there ARE no "objective criteria" that would satisfy sceptics because their philosophy is "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up"

That's an evasion. You really don't have any objective criteria for determining who can talk to spirits and who can't, do you?


99% of our experiences from the time we are born are not under what you sceptics love to refer to as "controlled conditions".

So?

That does not mean that we should disregard 99% of what we observe.

True, but we should question those experiences that defy the laws of physics and known sciences. We should demand that those who claim to have superpowers to submit to testing.


Go and get the evidence for yourself if you really are interested in the truth.

There is no valid, credible and scientific evidence. So far, you've only succeeded in not answering the question. You have succeeded in convincing yourself that Colin Fry isn't cheating, even after he was caught cheating. You are the one that seems to see evidence and make it fit into your beliefs. It's people like you that keep charlatans, like Fry, living a wealthy lifestyle.
 
showme2: No, there ARE no "objective criteria" that would satisfy sceptics because their philosophy is "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up"
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No, that's the definition of a True Believer™, not a skeptic.
 
showme2: No, there ARE no "objective criteria" that would satisfy sceptics because their philosophy is "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind is made up"


Yes, this is rather hilarious, Xouper. I mean, Fact: Colin Fry was cheating and was caught cheating. ShowMe: It was spirits that only wanted to make it look like Colin Fry was cheating.

LOL. He calls skeptics the ones that don't accept facts!:roll:
 
De Bunk
You were clearly at the back of the queue when manners and civility were given out, and right up the front in the arrogance queue.
(For "queue" read "line" if you're American, but I doubt it because all Americans I've met have had impeccable manners.)
The price of your lack of decent manners is that people like me who value them will simply decline to deal with you.

By the way, you or anyone like you would not stand a snowball in hell's chance of infiltrating a seance circle. Those who are believers in the spirit world and in communication try for years to gain a place in a good circle.

Others:
I would be more impressed with your arguments if you were able to demonstrate that you knew even the basic facts of what happened at Scole. Your comments tell me that you know little about it apart from what you have been told by others on the Net.

As for seeking to claim that a medium from Sussex gained access to the basement of private house in Norfolk and rewired the light switches .... well, that is fanciful in the extreme and it does your credibility no good at all if you are willing to stretch your belief to accommodate such obvious nonsense.

Finally, I would point out that the incident that you want to use as the cornerstone of your case occurred over 10 years ago, and the circumstances are far from clear, even to those who were present at the time. It is therefore clear that those of you who were NOT there have no business making bland assertions that you "know" what happened. You cannot "know" anything of the sort (unless of course you claim to be psychic ??? .,.. Ho Ho Ho !)
 

By the way, you or anyone like you would not stand a snowball in hell's chance of infiltrating a seance circle. Those who are believers in the spirit world and in communication try for years to gain a place in a good circle.

And why is that? Is it because they want to minimize instances where they are caught cheating, like Colin Fry was caught cheating? Yep, a good "medium" has to find the correct dupes to invite to his circle. It's smart for a conman to choose those that won't ruin his scheme.

Others:
I would be more impressed with your arguments if you were able to demonstrate that you knew even the basic facts of what happened at Scole. Your comments tell me that you know little about it apart from what you have been told by others on the Net.

I could care less about impressing you. How about you impress us with actual evidence of the supernatural?

As for seeking to claim that a medium from Sussex gained access to the basement of private house in Norfolk and rewired the light switches .... well, that is fanciful in the extreme and it does your credibility no good at all if you are willing to stretch your belief to accommodate such obvious nonsense.

Doesn't really matter, the lights came on and Colin Fry was caught cheating. Colin Fry is a cheater and you are merely stretching your imagination to make that fact fit into your own personal belief. Now you've conjured up spirits that like to play tricks as the reason for Colin Fry's deception.

Finally, I would point out that the incident that you want to use as the cornerstone of your case occurred over 10 years ago, and the circumstances are far from clear, even to those who were present at the time.

There is a lady on Paltalk who was there, she said he was cheating. She doesn't believe in Colin Fry as a medium anymore. Unfortunately, she still believes in spirits.

It is therefore clear that those of you who were NOT there have no business making bland assertions that you "know" what happened. You cannot "know" anything of the sort (unless of course you claim to be psychic ??? .,.. Ho Ho Ho !)

Were you there? I've only spoken to a lady that claimed to be there. You are correct, the only way to really settle this is to put Colin Fry in an objectively controlled test. Do you think you can be a good chap and convince Colin to take the JREF challenge?
 
tbk
I too have only spoken to someone who was there.

No, I won't be a good chap and persuade Colin to submit to testing. He has a perfectly good mind of his own which he uses without any need for my guidance.
 
SM2, you sound like you know Colin Fry quite well...perhaps closer than many people in the world? That you might know quite well what is in his mind? Hmmm? ;)
 
Showme2..

Thats right...im psychic...and i can levitate..

Am i lying...??

Your reply would be appreciated..

DB
 
Showme2

Quote:

"You were clearly at the back of the queue when manners and civility were given out, and right up the front in the arrogance queue..."



Ok then...lets look at it like this..

You come onto a board of Skeptics and make ridiculous arrogant claims without any proof whatsoever.

You insult my intelligence with your delusions..

No it is you who is the arrogant one...You with your backward beliefs and your utter self confidence that you could do so on a board filled with skeptics...

Now thats arrogance..

No it is you...who lacks any common sense and manners...

You thought you could spread your delusions here and not have people get in your face over it.

You were in error...

You do not deserve any respect from me whatsoever.

You are delusional, live in some fantasy world, extremely easily led and gullible, as proven with the fact that Fry was caught faking it...red handed and you still believe he's not...

I find it insulting that YOUR arrogance led you to believe you would have an easy ride whilst spreading your garbage.

DB
 
Bloody hell showme. What is more likely? A f*cking trumpet floating around, the medium possessed by the spirits wriggled out of his bonds, jumped on the table and grabbed the trumpet in mid-air only to have the lights come on at that exact moment because the spirits wanted to discredit him?

Or a guy who was cheating and got caught because someone wanted to expose the truth?

What's next? There's a little man inside the fridge that turns the lights on and off?
 
You don't have to have been present at Scole to have the priceless image of a rather camp, rat-faced guy, waving a luminous trumpet around and blinking stupidly as the lights unexpectedly reveal his fraudulent performance.

If it was a rival spiritualist who sabotaged Fry's act then it just goes to prove the old adage that there's no honour among thieves. ;)

STJ
 
My own review of the Scole material on the Internet, such as it is, tells me that this is nothing more than a bunch of self-deluded woo-woos who have lost contact with reality some time back. That they can write "papers" in the "scientific manner" doesn't mean they have discovered the secrets of the universe. And that some of their testees such as Fry realised they were so deluded and tried to take advantage of them for personal gain is almost to have been expected.

SM2 has tried to make a big thing about Fry's "light switch" being covered during the amazing disclosure session (i.e. the OMG, a speaking trumpet! bit). I would ask: Why was the light switch covered up in the first place? This was supposed to be someone's place in the country, not any "special setting," yet the light switch in the basement (where it is probably needed, day or night) has been taped over - VERY extraordinary indeed. One would be left with the impression that SOMETHING was being set up here...

And we are now told the light came on in some "mysterious" fashion, despite being taped up. Could it have been left in the ON position when taped up but the circuit it was on switched OFF at the fusebox? Then someone OUTSIDE switched the fusebox switch back ON again? Gee - such a rational and simple solution, so so much for nothing but the "supernatural" there...
 
Zep said:
My own review of the Scole material on the Internet, such as it is, tells me that this is nothing more than a bunch of self-deluded woo-woos who have lost contact with reality some time back. That they can write "papers" in the "scientific manner" doesn't mean they have discovered the secrets of the universe. And that some of their testees such as Fry realised they were so deluded and tried to take advantage of them for personal gain is almost to have been expected.
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How dare you accuse such a distinguished gentleman as Colin of plain fraud sir!


SM2 has tried to make a big thing about Fry's "light switch" being covered during the amazing disclosure session (i.e. the OMG, a speaking trumpet! bit). I would ask: Why was the light switch covered up in the first place? This was supposed to be someone's place in the country, not any "special setting," yet the light switch in the basement (where it is probably needed, day or night) has been taped over - VERY extraordinary indeed. One would be left with the impression that SOMETHING was being set up here...
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How could something be set up? Look, the light switch was covered up, nobody could touch the light switch. The trumpet was floating by itself, no, don't talk about Colin holding it, let's focus on this light switch! Paranormal indeed that it just went on by itself wouldn't you say! No, stop talking about Colin, Colin is a straight A shooter, leave him out of it! Back to that light switch!


And we are now told the light came on in some "mysterious" fashion, despite being taped up. Could it have been left in the ON position when taped up but the circuit it was on switched OFF at the fusebox? Then someone OUTSIDE switched the fusebox switch back ON again? Gee - such a rational and simple solution, so so much for nothing but the "supernatural" there...
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No no no, it was them spirits you see. They turned the lights on. Why was colin standing on the table? Oh you see, he was wrestling with them spirits and they were so angry they blew the circuits and made the lights come on. Now let's analyze how it's even possible the lights would turn on. They were covered over. There is no way someone could've gotten to them, especially in all that darkness. Hell, there's no other way to turn lights on and off except through this switch here.

Look, will you stop talking about the trumpet, nobody cares that Colin was standing there because the spirits did it on purpose, they wanted Colin to look bad but look, the proof is that the switch was covered up and nobody could get to it. Only spirits could've turned those lights on! This proves Colin is a genuine medium you see.


There, do I sound like a believer yet?
 
ImpyTimpy said:
There, do I sound like a believer yet?
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:D :D I could ALMOST NEARLY believe you, y'know! :D

Tell you what. If I promise to ignore the man behind the curtain, will you try and convince me that the Scole stuff WAS really scientific by waving your arms in the air and concentrating? That would be very nice.
 
Why do they believe?

Because it feels good. Jung talks a lot about "the numinous," i.e., the mysterious and uncanny, and of the attraction it holds. We experience the numinous in dreams, and sometimes in waking life, and it can be an epochal moment for a human being. A sense that something underlies the perceivable world, or lies beyond it, or in some indefinable way surpasses it, is part of consciousness for most people. I've felt it: a moment when the air seemed filled with silent thunder, when the unknown threatened to become known, a medicine moment. It was terribly wonderful, this feeling that an immensity was about to be revealed to me.

These moments pass, and if we're rational and honest we come to realize that they were no more than private events, literally confined to the insides of our own skulls, and without significance to anyone or anything else. Clarity returns, but it feels more like a loss than an acquisition - it IS a loss! and I'd be a liar if I denied the sadness.

The believer can't endure the sadness of a universe that isn't numinous; it's no fun; it's a universe of facts and reason, and of an overwhelming amount of difficult detail that he must somehow cope with.

So he believes rather than knows; it's so much easier; he can make it up as he goes along, and he need never, ever grapple with concepts. If some pleasing belief can't be demonstrated, the believer is no worse off; in extreme cases of believerism, he will explicitly reject demonstrable truth and abjectly accept what is demonstrably untrue.

It's no wonder that so many posters to this forum get frustrated trying to reason against concept-free thinking. Unless we can find something to offer the believer that's softer and creamier and more comfortable than credulity -- and you know we can't -- we're all just throwing water into the sea.
 
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