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Psychic actually answering doubts...

showme2 said:
Psiload

OK, humourous smartass comments apart (and I can appreciate humour and wit as well as anyone else) how do you account for the fact that the lights came on despite the fact that the switch was blanked off with a box and Gaffer Tape and that, when these were removed, the light switch was still in the OFF position ?

You sceptics are the ones who want to explain everything scientifically, so explain that away scientifically .....
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That's easy.

The room was rigged - pure and simple.

Ask the medium to meet in a neutral space which hasn't been *ahem* setup by him/her and you will be met with all kinds of excuses.

Same goes for filming them.

Same goes for why they must be in absolute darkness.

It's all to hide the tricks.

"Ignore the little man behind the curtain Dorothy".
 
Teddygrahams

Don't be silly!

Why, if the results of the seance had been "fixed" by the people who actually CONTROLLED the electrical circuitry of the venue, would they choose to hit the lights at a time when it would cause maximum embarrassment for the medium ?

The argument of most sceptics is at least rational !
 
Druid...

I liked the bit where the trumpet just "fell into his arms"...

I reckon someone set Fry up to be caught right in the middle of his scam...

Someone who was sick of his bullsh**

I'll never understand why seances have to be in darkness...

Leave the f***in' lights on...thats what i say...

Oh yeh...Thanks for keeping his reply to you a secret...

" I like the cut of ya' trousers, my boy...! "

DB
 
Teddygrahams

Don't be silly!

He's not, Show, the third switch may or may not be concealed, but there is a third switch.


Why, if the results of the seance had been "fixed" by the people who actually CONTROLLED the electrical circuitry of the venue, would they choose to hit the lights at a time when it would cause maximum embarrassment for the medium ?

To add drama and "validation" to their trick.


These believers don't have much in the way of critical thinking and problem solving. This is probably a side-effect of being told to just have faith.
 
Showme2

Quote:

"Why, if the results of the seance had been "fixed" by the people who actually CONTROLLED the electrical circuitry of the venue, would they choose to hit the lights at a time when it would cause maximum embarrassment for the medium ?..."



I'll tell you "Why"...

Because someone like me had conned his way into a postion of trust...purely to expose a delusional kook like Fry...

Thats feckin' why...

Or

He may have pissed a real member of staff off...

He may have pissed the caretaker off...

He may have pissed anyone of a hundred people off...all who would have reason to expose him as a fraud

Thats how...

Whats a matter...can't you see thats a totally feasible, logically thought out explanation for the lights coming on...right in the middle of Frys scam / con / act...

It makes more sense than Fry actually talking to the dead and having them move trumpets around..especially as he was caught with the trumpet...

Get real...

You are so naive...

DB
 
De bunk

You have just clearly demonstrated that you know very little about this matter.
There were NO staff.
There was NO caretaker.
The seances were held in the basement of a private house.

Do find out whether you know what you are talking about before you comment.
 
showme2 said:
Nope, sorry.
Single switch.
Try again ?
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Your evidence that there is only one switch is what?

You don't think that these mediums are capable of placing a secret, remote switch somewhere?

It seems to me that you have simply made up your mind that mediumship is real and any mundane explanation for such events are dismissed. I suggest you visit your local shrink and tell him all about mediumship.
 
showme2 said:

The seances were held in the basement of a private house.
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Why not a controlled evironment? Oh.. I know, because cheating isn't allowed in real science.
 
De_Bunk said:
Showme2

Quote:

"Why, if the results of the seance had been "fixed" by the people who actually CONTROLLED the electrical circuitry of the venue, would they choose to hit the lights at a time when it would cause maximum embarrassment for the medium ?..."



I'll tell you "Why"...

Because someone like me had conned his way into a postion of trust...purely to expose a delusional kook like Fry...

Thats feckin' why...

Or

He may have pissed a real member of staff off...

He may have pissed the caretaker off...

He may have pissed anyone of a hundred people off...all who would have reason to expose him as a fraud

Thats how...

Whats a matter...can't you see thats a totally feasible, logically thought out explanation for the lights coming on...right in the middle of Frys scam / con / act...

It makes more sense than Fry actually talking to the dead and having them move trumpets around..especially as he was caught with the trumpet...

Get real...

You are so naive...

DB
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Face it de-bunk. Being caught standing, waving a trumpet around in a seance is CLEAR proof of psychic abilities. :rolleyes:
 
showme2 said:
Psiload

OK, humourous smartass comments apart (and I can appreciate humour and wit as well as anyone else) how do you account for the fact that the lights came on despite the fact that the switch was blanked off with a box and Gaffer Tape and that, when these were removed, the light switch was still in the OFF position ?

You sceptics are the ones who want to explain everything scientifically, so explain that away scientifically .....
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What the hell does why the lights came on have to do with the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? I don't know, and I don't care... but, if it'll help you get on with your life, I'll take a page out the Big Book of Woo Woo, and humor you with a scientific guess...

quantum entanglement

There, your attempt at what magicians call misdirection aside, let's talk about what was witnessed when the lights came on... the fraud caught with his hand in the luminous cookie jar.
 
Showme2

Thats right...

Luminous trumpets really float about darkened rooms...don't they....

Dead people really, really come back and float objects around...

Never got anything important to say...No cure for AIDS...Cancer...or anything of real value...just float trumpets around...

Nobody is actually , physically holding the trumpets...unless you're Colin Fry of course...and the lights suddenly come on...

So you see...you, gullible kookball... ought to think a bit more logically before you comment...

Because all that means is...someone in the "house" set him up..to expose him..

◊◊◊◊...the newspapers do it all the time...

BTW...How do you know it was a single switch...did you rewire the house...are you

"ShowMe2.. Gullible Electrician..Mediums and physics 20% discount"..????

Where ever he was faking this BS...he was set up to be exposed for the fraud he is....

Funny how this very "Trick" has been exposed and shown how its done..and then Fry is caught, doing EXACTLY the same thing....moving the trumpet with his own hands...

Whats the gamble he comes up with a load of "nonsensical" excuses....

Err...hang on a minute....he already has....

I wonder if he would like to repeat his next seance, using Infra-red cameras....I mean..its still total darkness...

It would make great TV...

You see he is going to be set up again and again...

They got exposed him once...and they will do it again...

He'd better take a good, long, hard look at the people he thinks are his friends...

DB

( PS...I never could understand the reason for taping the light switches off...What are they afraid of...are they worried that someone might jump up and turn them all on...exposing the medium for the fraud they are...???)
 
showme2 said:
Small Town Jesus

It's a luminous trumpet actually (i.e. one that glows in the dark), not an "illuminous" one ! But never mind .....
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Hey, I was just quoting the faker Fry! It's his illiteracy not mine. :rolleyes:

STJ
 
I always thought that seance participants were encouraged (ordered) to hold hands in order to give the impression of creating a circle of woo-woo energy, but thinking about it, I can see lots of other benefits:

- can't reach out and see if the woo-woo man has moved
- can't accidentally bump hand into dark-clothed assistants (although if you did, presumably you'd think it was "firm ectoplasm")
- can't tocuh the floating trumpet and discover that it seems to be firmly supported at one end
- can't reach the light switch
 
nick said:
I always thought that seance participants were encouraged (ordered) to hold hands in order to give the impression of creating a circle of woo-woo energy, but thinking about it, I can see lots of other benefits:

- can't reach out and see if the woo-woo man has moved
- can't accidentally bump hand into dark-clothed assistants (although if you did, presumably you'd think it was "firm ectoplasm")
- can't tocuh the floating trumpet and discover that it seems to be firmly supported at one end
- can't reach the light switch
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Every aspect of the classic "seance" is geared towards controlling the "observers". The darkness of the room, the holding hands, The "spirit boxes" which are often employed, the loud music which is often played, having everyone seated at the same table, performing only for groups of selected "insiders", etc... Every bit of it is geared towards forced perspective... sit right here, look over there, watch this, and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

The fact that there are still people left in this day and age who are willing to entertain this foolishness is profoundly saddening.
 
You know what...

I've never really bothered with Fry...He didnt have a high enough profile...He still hasn't...but he's been caught out...totally exposed as a fraud....if it happened once...im sure it will happen again...

I'll have a good ol' think about it...

Maybe i could get someone to make his "friends" list....

Fry...can you really trust those around you...can you really trust them not to expose you again...

You were set up....by someone close to you...isnt that obvious...

DB

(PS...Hope this doesnt make you paranoid....:D )
 
Re: Re: Psychic actually answering doubts...

Originally posted by Druid
(Quoting Colin Fry):

... ,now we get into the area of what those attending claim they saw a) some report a dark mass wipping back into the seance cabinet and myself being thrown to the floor screaming in pain
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That would be his black-clad assistant making a run for it and tripping over Colin on the way to the "cabinet" :)

Originally posted by Druid
(Quoting Colin Fry):

... place myself at risk in this way,the final straw was in 2001 when death threats where made against me by born again christians .
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Excellent ! One group of woo-woos pitted against another in a contest of almost Darwinian dimensions !
 
I'm a bit confused.. is ShowMe's position that the spirits simply set Colin Fry up to look like he cheated?
 
thaiboxerken

Yep. Just like forums, you get all types in the spirit world.
A person's character does not change just because they die.
 
showme2 said:
thaiboxerken

Yep. Just like forums, you get all types in the spirit world.
A person's character does not change just because they die.
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If spirits play tricks to merely make it look like mediums are cheating, how do you know if a medium really is cheating?

Do you have any objective criteria for determining if a person really has superpowers or not?
 
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