PS Audio Noise Harvester

[ExtremeSkeptic]

It's like a fountain of insanity. I'm astounded. I really am. This is just impressive. You spew forth claims with the only backing being your other claim of "I can hear the difference".

You have to realize this inherently has almost no value unless it can be substantiated by professionals. How come these companies aren't getting MIPA or TEC awards? Why no legitimate credentials? It's not about crying "placebo", especially not on an issue like this. You're better off getting into a debate about analog vs. digital, or modern mastering (squashing), or what sample rate sounds the best. At least then someone might agree with you.

ES, you're a marvel of absurdity.

I don't care about sample rate because it makes a very small difference. Skeptics like to brag they can hear it just because they can measure it. It's placebo at its best.

 

[AudioFreak]

I don't care about sample rate because it makes a very small difference. Skeptics like to brag they can hear it just because they can measure it. It's placebo at its best.

Actually, pretty much any real audio engineer I know is well aware that the sample rate, once it's above Nyquist range for human hearing, has practically no bearing on audio quality. But, I mean... if you claim the hard drives used affect the audio quality, surely you must be concerned with the anti-alias filters used. What about the type of dither used?

In blind tests, I can hear the difference between a Lundahl a Jensen transformer, 16 and 24 bit audio, 2" and a hard disk recorder, internal and external clock sources, etc... I've never heard of any blind tests being done with this equipment.

Something as absurd as the claims that you're making, well... there is a reason nobody takes you seriously and why none of these products are recognized by legitimate engineers.

 

[mroek]

I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that ExtremeSkeptic is not human, he is from Planet X.

The bad news? Well, there is no intelligent life on Planet X...

 

[Ducky]

Actually, pretty much any real audio engineer I know is well aware that the sample rate, once it's above Nyquist range for human hearing, has practically no bearing on audio quality. But, I mean... if you claim the hard drives used affect the audio quality, surely you must be concerned with the anti-alias filters used. What about the type of dither used?

In blind tests, I can hear the difference between a Lundahl a Jensen transformer, 16 and 24 bit audio, 2" and a hard disk recorder, internal and external clock sources, etc... I've never heard of any blind tests being done with this equipment.

Something as absurd as the claims that you're making, well... there is a reason nobody takes you seriously and why none of these products are recognized by legitimate engineers.

Seconded.

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

You don't use extra harddrives for the same reason as you don't plug a refrigerator into the same line as the audio system. Why is it so hard to understand something so simple? It's because skeptics don't have a brain, their books are their brain and they like to repeat what they have read decades ago. They repeat and repeat until they get brainwashed, they never try things for themselves.

1) You need a dedicated line to separate the analog gear from the digital gear, or you can use filters in between them.

2) Extra harddrives infect the PSU with noise, both switching noise and EMI that enters the DC wiring.

3) Everything else connected infects the PSU as well. The more you underclock the less noise you get.

4) Everything connected to the computer like keyboard and mouse also infect the computer with EMI. All cables connected to computer need to be shielded.

 

[Paulhoff]

You don't use extra harddrives for the same reason as you don't plug a refrigerator into the same line as the audio system. Why is it so hard to understand something so simple? It's because skeptics don't have a brain, their books are their brain and they like to repeat what they have read decades ago. They repeat and repeat until they get brainwashed, they never try things for themselves.

1) You need a dedicated line to separate the analog gear from the digital gear, or you can use filters in between them.

2) Extra harddrives infect the PSU with noise, both switching noise and EMI that enters the DC wiring.

3) Everything else connected infects the PSU as well. The more you underclock the less noise you get.

4) Everything connected to the computer like keyboard and mouse also infect the computer with EMI. All cables connected to computer need to be shielded.

Why is it so hard for you to understand, filtering in the power supply, filtering on the board, the shielding of metal boxes (no need to paper). Also, just because it sounds right, does not make it right. NO, you don't get a head cold from cold weather, and hot weather does not thin your blood, that would be called “being anemic”. And we were talking about watt, not other things running. I have a RF choke on the keyboard, shielded wire is not a big thing, paper is. OH, and shielding is in the books.

Paul

 

[slyjoe]

I just checked back on this thread - and nothing has changed, except I guess ES is now on to computers. Wow.

For ES:

1. How do you know what is analog as opposed to digital? How can you separate them out? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

2. You need to show your work and/or results for us to understand.

3. How much do you think you can underclock a CPU? Do you know what else that does to your computer? Where does most of the noise in a switching PSU come from? If you can answer those questions, there is a chance someone here may listen to you. Please answer without ranting.

4. Describe how the mouse and keyboard infect the computer with EMI, and how cable shielding eliminates this EMI.

All we are asking is for you to explain it to us instead of ranting.

 

[AudioFreak]

But who is listening to the power supply in the computer? When I'm recording, no analog audio passes through my computer. It's all in 24 bit words.

It sounds like the only person interested in brainwashing is you. You just keep slamming home the most idiotic rubbish with nothing other than your own insistence to back it up.

You keep making claims without an explanation as to how or why. "The more you underclock the less noise you get"? Care to reference anything that backs that up?

What about ethernet cable? Does that need to be shielded too?

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Care to reference anything that backs that up?

Like I said before, narrow-minded skeptics are the most evil people in the world, just look at that comment. If you can't see what is wrong with it, I can't help you.

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

I just checked back on this thread - and nothing has changed, except I guess ES is now on to computers. Wow.

For ES:

1. How do you know what is analog as opposed to digital? How can you separate them out? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

If you don't believe in power conditioning it's useless trying to explain it.

2. You need to show your work and/or results for us to understand.

The problem is that the trolls have already made up their minds, they will never understand because they don't try to understand.

3. How much do you think you can underclock a CPU? Do you know what else that does to your computer? Where does most of the noise in a switching PSU come from? If you can answer those questions, there is a chance someone here may listen to you. Please answer without ranting.

You can find that information in books for newbies, I won't waste my time with something simple.

4. Describe how the mouse and keyboard infect the computer with EMI, and how cable shielding eliminates this EMI.

All we are asking is for you to explain it to us instead of ranting.

Enviromental EMI/RFI infects cables that carry a current. That EMI goes inside the equipment where the cable is plugged into.

 

[Paulhoff]

Like I said before, narrow-minded skeptics are the most evil people in the world, just look at that comment. If you can't see what is wrong with it, I can't help you.

Once again you get it wrong, a skeptic wants the truth, you don't. I didn't know are red-necks in your country.

Paul

 

[AudioFreak]

Well you're not very persuasive if you've got nothing other than yourself and the website of the people selling the product in question. I've heard of nobody other than you making the claim that these products work. And, as someone who was trained as an audio engineer and has been in and worked in real studios, I've taken a look over the information provided and it all looks phoney.

I mean, I'm sure there's some nut out there who thinks that Head On really works. Or that the FSM saved his life. Are YOU gonna believe HIM without any evidence? Skepticism helps prevent us from believing false things.

I hope you're not a teacher, or responsible for children in any way. With your attitude, they'd all be taking rides from strangers.

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Why is it so hard for you to understand, filtering in the power supply, filtering on the board, the shielding of metal boxes (no need to paper). Also, just because it sounds right, does not make it right. NO, you don't get a head cold from cold weather, and hot weather does not thin your blood, that would be called “being anemic”. And we were talking about watt, not other things running. I have a RF choke on the keyboard, shielded wire is not a big thing, paper is. OH, and shielding is in the books.

Paul

The problem is that you think the filtering and metal boxes in the gear work perfectly, but they don't. For some people the word "perfection" doesn't really mean perfection. They think that just because sound comes out from the speakers it works perfectly. They also don't know what distortion means, they think it only is clipping from too loud volume. It's a very narrow-minded and limited way of thinking. They also think it works perfectly if there isn't any "background noise" when they listen with the music paused. The skeptic trolls have never listened to a proper audio system in their life, then they brag about them building systems and people buying them. They never realize what they listen to is full of distortion because they are half deaf. If they don't hear clipping or noise, then they think they are hearing perfect audio. They probably also think their crappy system sounds like real life. Who is having the placebo here?

Someone also said he has an audio system in his car and it sounds good to him. It makes you wonder what is going on in the skeptics' heads...
When I move to another planet I will clone the skeptic trolls and study their mental disorder.

Even with $$$$$ worth of gear it didn't sound like real life to me. But after I modified the Valhalla cables and wrapped my system in ERS Paper I couldn't tell real life and my audio system apart anymore. The ambient bird sounds in the recording were very quiet and clear. I failed the blind test, but I passed the power cord blind test because the crappy cable didn't sound like real life.

People have different levels of "perfection" and for audiophiles that level is very high, but for skeptics that level is very low.
It's the same with pro sports, you can't explain something to a newbie no matter how hard you try, because the newbie doesn't know what perfection is. I have tried it half my life, they have never understood it.

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

Once again you get it wrong, a skeptic wants the truth, you don't. I didn't know are red-necks in your country.

Paul

If you want to know the truth, then why don't you try it for yourself instead of ask for "proof" from someone else?

I'm a true skeptic because I have tried everything for myself without being biased. My goal was finding the truth instead of making myself believe I already know the truth like the fake skeptics in this forum are doing.

 

[AudioFreak]

If you want to know the truth, then why don't you try it for yourself instead of ask for "proof" from someone else?

I live very close to a number of recording schools as well as knowing an editor for Mix Magazine. Go ahead and have PS Audio send me a few of their products and I'll be more than happy to test it, have the schools test it, as well as have the editor/reviewer from Mix test it out. I don't think any of them would be particularly biased not having been on this board.

I'm not going to spend my own money to prove your looney claims. Get real.

 

[slyjoe]

If you don't believe in power conditioning it's useless trying to explain it.

I don't need to believe - I know how it works. Once again, you don't answer the question.

The problem is that the trolls have already made up their minds, they will never understand because they don't try to understand.

You don't seem to understand what a troll is. Skeptics ARE willing to evaluate evidence. You are not, nor are you willing to provide evidence. Please look up definition of "troll".

You can find that information in books for newbies, I won't waste my time with something simple.

So you can't answer the question. I suggest you start with the "newbie" books.

Enviromental EMI/RFI infects cables that carry a current. That EMI goes inside the equipment where the cable is plugged into.

EMI/RFI is not a virus. Once again, you have refused to answer the questions put to you by the folks on this forum.

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

I don't need to believe - I know how it works. Once again, you don't answer the question.

The people who "know how it works" usually don't know anything. This whole thread is a proof of that. Just because you think you know something doesn't mean you do.

You don't seem to understand what a troll is. Skeptics ARE willing to evaluate evidence. You are not, nor are you willing to provide evidence. Please look up definition of "troll".

They are only willing to evaluate evidence if it's right in front of them, but they aren't willing to go and search for it by themselves because they don't want it to be true. If nobody has done the search then there is no evidence to evaluate, therefore they come to the conclusion that it is placebo. Skeptic trolls choose the simple path.

So you can't answer the question. I suggest you start with the "newbie" books.

Newbie books are made for those who lack a mind of their own, they want people to tell them what to do. I rather figure it out by myself without being biased from the flawed newbie books.

EMI/RFI is not a virus. Once again, you have refused to answer the questions put to you by the folks on this forum.

A virus makes the human body sick so it can't function properly. EMI/RFI makes the audio system sick so it outputs distorted audio.

 

[ExtremeSkeptic]

I live very close to a number of recording schools as well as knowing an editor for Mix Magazine. Go ahead and have PS Audio send me a few of their products and I'll be more than happy to test it, have the schools test it, as well as have the editor/reviewer from Mix test it out. I don't think any of them would be particularly biased not having been on this board.

Recording isn't the same as playback because the computer doesn't have ears.

I'm not going to spend my own money to prove your looney claims. Get real.

I spent my life savings because I wanted to find the truth about audio. I have been a skeptic my whole life, but when I tried things for myself I realized all those years as a skeptic was a waste, I didn't know anything just by looking at the surface, it all had to be experienced. What I found was the truth, and the skeptics are just jealous.

 

[Paulhoff]

Does the word BANNED sound familiar .............

Paul

 

[Paulhoff]

I spent my life savings because I wanted to find the truth about audio.

It's too bad you didn't learn anything.........

You should have bought some books and built a good fountain to work with, then you could have saved a lot of money.........

Paul