PS Audio Noise Harvester

Wow.... Extreme Skeptic... you have seriously got to be the most ridiculous imbecile I've ever heard. Having a clean power supply is crucial to having high quality audio, that is obvious. Power conditioners and high quality, properly grounded power supplies within the gear itself makes a huge difference. A poorly grounded Neve vs. a properly grounded Neve makes an enormous difference in clarity and noise floor.

But, honestly man... you're a loon. No joke.

I ask this... if PS Audio's products are so great, how come I have not once ever seen them in use in a professional recording studio? I've even seen gear from Monster, a well known BS/ripoff company, in use in studios because while they may have ridiculous claims about why their stuff is better, it at least performs a task in the studio.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
People don't take me seriously because they don't want what I say to be true. There are people with $20k sources who have made themselves believe they get better sound than something cheaper. They aren't upgrading to better gear, they are just side-stepping into different flavors. Fixing the problems of the gear is what gives the true improvements.

Computer is a good enough transport if you tweak it properly. I can hear a difference between 1 vs 2 harddrives. 2 harddrives spinning makes it sound too edgy. When the 2nd harddrive goes into sleep mode it sounds too smooth and dull but with more low-level detail. I can hear in the music whenever the harddrive inside my closet spins down. Without listening to music I can't hear it spin down.
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No, you don't have a clue that what is true when it comes to audio equipment.

Tweak a computer for sound, outside of getting a good sound-card there is nothing to tweak. To say that one drive is better than two, you should a power supply that can handle the power needed for the system. If the system software has bugs there can be noise in the sound. I often would have to turn off and on one of the sound devices to clear that problem. But ever since I have upgraded my windows XP, sound problems don’t happen anymore, it as nothing to do with tweaking.

But of couse you can hear an ant walking next door on your audio system......... sure.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
No, you don't have a clue that what is true when it comes to audio equipment.

Tweak a computer for sound, outside of getting a good sound-card there is nothing to tweak. To say that one drive is better than two, you should a power supply that can handle the power needed for the system. If the system software has bugs there can be noise in the sound. I often would have to turn off and on one of the sound devices to clear that problem. But ever since I have upgraded my windows XP, sound problems don’t happen anymore, it as nothing to do with tweaking.

But of couse you can hear an ant walking next door on your audio system......... sure.

Paul

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It has nothing to do with how much the power supply can handle. The computer needs to be underclocked to get the least jitter.

I found someone else who found the path to truth: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/19242.html

Now there are two of us and more will keep coming, you will see.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
It has nothing to do with how much the power supply can handle. The computer needs to be underclocked to get the least jitter.
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Wow... you have no idea what jitter is, do you? Try reading Bob Katz's book on mastering. THEN talk to me about jitter.
 
Paulhoff said:
You are just so silly.

Paul

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The higher the wattage draw is the more distortion you get, it's very simple. I guess since it isn't written in the classical physics book it isn't true. Skeptics don't have a mind of their own and are lost in eternal ignorance...
 
AudioFreak said:
Wow... you have no idea what jitter is, do you? Try reading Bob Katz's book on mastering. THEN talk to me about jitter.
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If he knew what jitter was you would be having your computer tweaked like me. The problem is he spends his time mastering instead of listening.

I'm using Magix levitation feet under computer case and PSU. I have them separated from each other and wrapped in ERS Paper. I have the harddrives isolated from computer case and PSU. All my tweaks reduced the jitter and made it sound better than a high-end CD transport costing 10 times more. CD transports infect the power supply with noise which increases the jitter. The vibration of the CD drive also increases jitter. High-end gear are worse because everything are jammed inside the same chassis. All the components need to be isolated from each other with Magix and ERS Paper. They need to use their own power supply as well.
My high-end transport sounds very edgy and my computer sounds very smooth with more low-level detail, it's all because of the tweaks. If I switch the tweaks between them then the high-end transport sounds smoother, but not as smooth as when the PSU and mainboard of computer are isolated from each other.

Computer is a better transport because it has more options on how to tweak the sound. But people with $20k transports obviously don't want to believe it. They don't like it when there is something cheaper that gives better sound, so instead they ignore the truth...
 
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Paulhoff said:
Show the proof, it is easy to do, just show the proof.

Paul

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Truth doesn't need to be proven because it will always exist.

If people would spend more time improving things instead of finding ways to "prove it" to clueless people who don't want to believe it anyway, then this world would be a better place.
 
Terry said:
umm... explain how that works? Isn't it digital? Power draw matters... how?
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PS Audio Premier Power Plant has a distortion analyzer on the display. Check the PS Audio forums for impressions.

ELK said:
I have found that the input distortion goes up a little (+ 0.1 or 0.2%) when certain equipment is turned on which is plugged into the PPP. Why does this occur? Interesting side note: Turning on a something which places a large startup load on the circuit makes the input distortion go up tremendously after which it settles again. I imagine this is a great illustration of how the sinewave gets "flat topped" as equipment takes energy off of the line. Pretty cool to see this in action.
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I have heard the same thing. When I plugged my projector into the PPP I heard edgier sound because of more wattage draw and distortion. Similar to when I tried 6 harddrives in my computer.
 
Paulhoff said:
Show the proof, it is easy to do, just show the proof.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
Well, that is an out and out lie. Show the proof, that more wattage means more distortion.

Paul

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Skeptics are like robots that can't function without proof. It is easy to become a skeptic, all you need to do is ignore everything and keep asking for proof. Skeptics are so afraid of placebo that they don't realize they are having placebo themselves because they block the truth. When they listen to different audio gear they don't hear a difference, it always sounds the same to them and that is the problem. For sane people the music always sounds little different because of different enviromental variables. But for the skeptics, all they hear is the same "sound" because their hands are covering their ears because they are afraid of hearing the truth.

Skeptics are sitting there with fingers inside their ears and yelling: "I don't hear a difference, it's PLACEBO! Show me the proof!"
Then they get angry and start calling people gay and fat. Living in ignorance is what makes them angry, so they make themselves believe they know everything about everything, and then they laugh at everyone who disagrees. Eventually they have so much fake confidence that they put smileys after every post.
 
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ExtremeSkeptic said:
I can't see what this has to do with the Noise Harvester. When skeptics are proven wrong they just change the subject as quickly as possible...
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Oh it has nothing to do with the noise harvester, we've already discussed that piece of crap and the rational among us have already decided never to buy one. Do try to keep up.

At this point, I'm just playing.

ExtremeSkeptic said:
Humans are not the correct species for me.
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Then what, horses? Pigs? Dogs?
 
Paulhoff said:
You sound just like a true believer.

Paul

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I believe what I hear right now instead of being biased of what I have heard in the past. Skeptics only believe what they have read decades ago and they have spent the rest of the time making that belief stronger.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
People can hear it, it's proof enough. Skeptics don't know what proof is, they just call it placebo instead.
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It's like a fountain of insanity. I'm astounded. I really am. This is just impressive. You spew forth claims with the only backing being your other claim of "I can hear the difference".

You have to realize this inherently has almost no value unless it can be substantiated by professionals. How come these companies aren't getting MIPA or TEC awards? Why no legitimate credentials? It's not about crying "placebo", especially not on an issue like this. You're better off getting into a debate about analog vs. digital, or modern mastering (squashing), or what sample rate sounds the best. At least then someone might agree with you.

ES, you're a marvel of absurdity. :)
 
osmosis said:
Oh it has nothing to do with the noise harvester, we've already discussed that piece of crap and the rational among us have already decided never to buy one. Do try to keep up.

At this point, I'm just playing.
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People who don't buy Noise Harvester are scared of the truth. Because if it makes a difference they need to try all the other tweaks too, and they don't have the money for it.

osmosis said:
Then what, horses? Pigs? Dogs?
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Skeptics have limited way of thinking. Like I said before, they have locked themselves into a box and thrown away the key because they are afraid they might open up the box later.
 
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