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Prince Andrew (Allegations of Famous People Engaged in Bad Sex Part 57)

Assuming English law, no, I don't think so. Her downside would be perjury. And I find the very idea of anybody suing lawyers just for doing their job deeply, deeply offensive! :mad:

I think he is suing them for not doing their jobs: checking if Dershovitz (sp?) was actually present at the time/place where his accuser said he was.

And you may find it offensive. But you are in that unique position of not being accused in the media of sexual abuse.
 
Yes, but when people say, "The Prince of Wales was a debauched degenerate" it is not clear which one is meant, so it's better to specify the future regnal designation. But one ought to say, "the future" Charles II, George IV, Edward VII, Edward VIII, For the sake of technical accuracy.

If Wikipedia is correct, though, he wasn't a racist, so that's something.
 
I didn't claim that, but, indirectly yes, you can. The sex may be an unusually strenuous activity which causes some bodily failure, e.g., a heart attack. The gambling may leave you too broke to buy decent food or healthcare. Or it may leave you indebted with an unscrupulous money lender who sends some thugs your way.

[ / derail ]

That's dying of sex OR gambling.

To die of both sex and gambling requires a little more imagination.
 
I didn't claim that, but, indirectly yes, you can. The sex may be an unusually strenuous activity which causes some bodily failure, e.g., a heart attack.

Surely after five straight years of having it sex wouldn't approach the benchmark of "unusually strenuous" any more.
 
I thought it was entirely opposite: that a Scottish king took the English crown? :boxedin:

How do you manage to drag him into every thread? :boggled:

He does seem to more obssesed with King Billy then your typical Orangeman....
 
No, he is a spoiled greedy idiot, but that in itself doesn't prove he is guilty of the sexual misdemeanours ascribed to him. However, it does mean that he enjoys little public sympathy and that is dangerous both for him and for the monarchy.

I don't see how that's dangerous for either him personally, or the monarchy. His livelihood doesn't depend on whether or not he is popular with the public (and I don't think he ever was), and neither does the continuing existence of the monarchy. There isn't going to be a sudden mass outbreak of republicanism across the UK even if Andrew were proven to have had sex with this woman when she was 17. Monarchies don't need popularity, they just need a majority of the population agreeing that doing away with them isn't worth the hassle, and won't improve anything for anyone.
 
The lawyers attacked by Dershowitz have now sued him for defamation. I have seen the claim form on facebook but not in a form I can link here.
 
The lawyers attacked by Dershowitz have now sued him for defamation. I have seen the claim form on facebook but not in a form I can link here.

Interesting.

Suing Dershowitz is a bit like punching Mike Tyson, but I hope the truth will be served in the end.

*gets popcorn*
 
Well the Fail never knows whether it wants to fawn or pointlessly attack.

Class envy is strong with the Mail, either side of the lower/middle-middle class target audience. Poor people shockingly have, "the latest smart/mobile phones," while the rich fritter money on fripperies.

The Mail is always entertaining to watch when they're stuck between conflicting loyalties: to the prejudices they hold so dear on the one hand, and to what they know is popular with their audience on the other. Trying to steer a course between peddling royalism, and peddling juicy allegations against extremely rich people who happen to be royals, can't be easy for them.

Another entertaining current example is offered by their scoop about Stephen Fry's impending marriage. On the one hand, you can just sense they want to go all out on this disgusting queer and admitted drug user who is going to get scare-quote-married to a toyboy 30 years younger than he is (he's the same age as his scare-quote-fiancé's father, didn't you know!). And oh yes, the pervert can afford disgustingly expensive cars, too, and a "plush" house, and rhodium engagement rings, all shown in pictures. And his toyboy's parents are disgustingly rich too - they live in a detached property, no less (with the picture to prove it)! Yet on the other hand, they know Fry is popular with their own demographic, so they have to pretend to play nice, and can't even put the scare quotes in. They had a very similar problem about a year ago when Tom Daley came out. How do you inject homophobia into reporting about someone who isn't just hugely popular, but who you've helped make popular? They went so far as to doorstep his grandparents, in the vain hope of getting at least some kind of homophobic comment out of someone close to him they could use. One could almost hear their teeth grind when they had no option left but to go along with the general media line of "aww, isn't it sweet how much in love he is", while of course never forgetting to remind their readers, in every single one of numerous articles, that his boyfriend is 19 years older than he is (or as the Mail liked to put it: "twice his age".)
 
I don't see how that's dangerous for either him personally, or the monarchy. His livelihood doesn't depend on whether or not he is popular with the public (and I don't think he ever was), and neither does the continuing existence of the monarchy. There isn't going to be a sudden mass outbreak of republicanism across the UK even if Andrew were proven to have had sex with this woman when she was 17. Monarchies don't need popularity, they just need a majority of the population agreeing that doing away with them isn't worth the hassle, and won't improve anything for anyone.
There is constitutional "hassle" already in the UK at the moment. It is moreover dangerous, but not necessarily fatal, I agree, for a royal family to have prominent members held in contempt. Also, the UK monarchy is a special case, and much more exposed to publicity, both good and bad, than other monarchies.
 
The Mail is always entertaining to watch when they're stuck between conflicting loyalties: to the prejudices they hold so dear on the one hand, and to what they know is popular with their audience on the other. Trying to steer a course between peddling royalism, and peddling juicy allegations against extremely rich people who happen to be royals, can't be easy for them.

Another entertaining current example is offered by their scoop about Stephen Fry's impending marriage. On the one hand, you can just sense they want to go all out on this disgusting queer and admitted drug user who is going to get scare-quote-married to a toyboy 30 years younger than he is (he's the same age as his scare-quote-fiancé's father, didn't you know!). And oh yes, the pervert can afford disgustingly expensive cars, too, and a "plush" house, and rhodium engagement rings, all shown in pictures. And his toyboy's parents are disgustingly rich too - they live in a detached property, no less (with the picture to prove it)! Yet on the other hand, they know Fry is popular with their own demographic, so they have to pretend to play nice, and can't even put the scare quotes in. They had a very similar problem about a year ago when Tom Daley came out. How do you inject homophobia into reporting about someone who isn't just hugely popular, but who you've helped make popular? They went so far as to doorstep his grandparents, in the vain hope of getting at least some kind of homophobic comment out of someone close to him they could use. One could almost hear their teeth grind when they had no option left but to go along with the general media line of "aww, isn't it sweet how much in love he is", while of course never forgetting to remind their readers, in every single one of numerous articles, that his boyfriend is 19 years older than he is (or as the Mail liked to put it: "twice his age".)

They'll run with destruction, if pressed.

I'm currently learning German and read the equally crappy Bild.de every day.
They have a similar dilemma regarding the PEGIDA demonstrations. So far the came out as anti-PEGIDA, but I bet there was some discussion as I bet a big part of their readers agree with this movement.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if these rags newspapers just reported the news? But that would require many things, including an educated, politically sophisticated and discerning populace and some kind of rule against bloated capitalists owning the media and using it to tell us what to think.
 
Wouldn't it be nice if these rags newspapers just reported the news? But that would require many things, including an educated, politically sophisticated and discerning populace and some kind of rule against bloated capitalists owning the media and using it to tell us what to think.

They've always been opinion disguised as news. Keep in mind all they are interested in is getting advertisers to advertise with them and it all makes perfect sense!
 
Another entertaining current example is offered by their scoop about Stephen Fry's impending marriage. On the one hand, you can just sense they want to go all out on this disgusting queer and admitted drug user who is going to get scare-quote-married to a toyboy 30 years younger than he is (he's the same age as his scare-quote-fiancé's father, didn't you know!). And oh yes, the pervert can afford disgustingly expensive cars, too, and a "plush" house, and rhodium engagement rings, all shown in pictures. And his toyboy's parents are disgustingly rich too - they live in a detached property, no less (with the picture to prove it)! Yet on the other hand, they know Fry is popular with their own demographic, so they have to pretend to play nice, and can't even put the scare quotes in. They had a very similar problem about a year ago when Tom Daley came out. How do you inject homophobia into reporting about someone who isn't just hugely popular, but who you've helped make popular? They went so far as to doorstep his grandparents, in the vain hope of getting at least some kind of homophobic comment out of someone close to him they could use. One could almost hear their teeth grind when they had no option left but to go along with the general media line of "aww, isn't it sweet how much in love he is", while of course never forgetting to remind their readers, in every single one of numerous articles, that his boyfriend is 19 years older than he is (or as the Mail liked to put it: "twice his age".

I'd assume they are trying to get the most both out of people who, perhaps covertly, find the thought of a young and handsome partner (who's perhaps even male!) enticing and those who for some reason find any noticeable age difference in sexual relationships objectionable, indecent and sick (if not outright calling it "paedophilia").
 
They've always been opinion disguised as news. Keep in mind all they are interested in is getting advertisers to advertise with them and it all makes perfect sense!

Yes, I realise that within my post is an assumption, almost certainly false, that 'the news' can somehow be reported neutrally. However, one can approach objectivity even if one can never attain it. Our rags mostly don't even bother to try.
 
Yes, I realise that within my post is an assumption, almost certainly false, that 'the news' can somehow be reported neutrally. However, one can approach objectivity even if one can never attain it. Our rags mostly don't even bother to try.

...or even to perform basic fact checks.
 
Yes, I realise that within my post is an assumption, almost certainly false, that 'the news' can somehow be reported neutrally. However, one can approach objectivity even if one can never attain it. Our rags mostly don't even bother to try.
The "rags" (if the Telegraph may be so described) are now going for Prince Andrew in a big way. See Here.
 

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