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Prince Andrew (Allegations of Famous People Engaged in Bad Sex Part 57)

MG1962 said:
You do realize the Royal Family hands far more income to the UK government than it receives in grants. Since 2013 the Royal family only retains about 15% of the total income it gets from the Crown estates, and has (since the late 90's ) pay tax on their income as well
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So they give some of the funds generated from the lands their ancestors stole back to the decendants of the people they stole it from and, in addition, they give back a little of the money that they get for free from everyone else? Ace.
 
Oh, I get to trot out my grandfather's joke again. This is the only socialist joke I know (and by far the best!).

It's the 1920s and a guy on a soapbox is preaching socialism to a crowd of onlookers in Westminster square (where the Houses of Parliament are) when the Duke of Westminster walks by. The Duke asks the guy whether he knows he is speaking on the Duke's land. The guy asks where he got it. 'From my father' says the duke. 'Where did he get it?' 'From his father'. This back and forth goes on for a while until finally when the duke is asked where his great-great-great [etc] grandfather got the land he says. 'he fought for it'. 'OK', says the guy, removing his jacket 'I'll fight you for it'.
 
Craig B said:
Did it cost you £20,000 per week? If it did, it should have had a swimming pool, as Andrew's chalet had, not a tub. Fergie in a tub? The mind boggles!
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There were 20 guests, each of whom paid around £800. Take out transport costs and it'd be closer to £10k - hence no pool.
 
3point14 said:
So they give some of the funds generated from the lands their ancestors stole back to the decendants of the people they stole it from and, in addition, they give back a little of the money that they get for free from everyone else? Ace.
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I'm sure the 15% that constitutes the Civil List come from the more than 15% of the Crown Estates was acquired legitimately, and that the Treasury keeps the 85% that comes from the rest, including the "stolen" bits. :cool:
 
MG1962 said:
You do realize the Royal Family hands far more income to the UK government than it receives in grants. Since 2013 the Royal family only retains about 15% of the total income it gets from the Crown estates, and has (since the late 90's ) pay tax on their income as well
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They give us back some of the income from this, do they? How generous! And what they keep (15% of this) they deign to pay tax on? Wow!
 
Information Analyst said:
I'm sure the 15% that constitutes the Civil List come from the more than 15% of the Crown Estates was acquired legitimately, and that the Treasury keeps the 85% that comes from the rest, including the "stolen" bits. :cool:
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Ah, I suspect this is where the derail ends.
I don't believe there's any part of the crown estates that were obtained legitimately. That's for another thread though. :)
 
Craig B said:
They give us back some of the income from this, do they? How generous! And what they keep (15% of this) they deign to pay tax on? Wow!
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No, they effectively pay 85% tax on the Crown Estates income, and then additional income tax on the remaining 15%. I think that's exceptionally generous by any measure.
 
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Information Analyst said:
No, they effectively pay 85% tax on the Crown Estates income, and then additional income tax on the remaining 15%. I think that's exceptionally generous by any measure.
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What's generous about it? They signed away the income from the crown estates back in 1760. My understanding is that this wasn't done out of generosity. Is that not correct?
 
Information Analyst said:
Some proof of that sweeping statement would be interesting.
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That which is purchased with that which is stolen is not legitamately obtained. In my opinion. All hereditary lands, titles, incomes and privilidges come from this. Either that or entitlement is issued by some non-existant deity (From god to king to man) which has no legitimacy either. Those deeded to the crown under threat of military action don't count as they count as stolen, the same for anything gifted by the Pope or other religious figure.

If there are any other ways that the Saxe-Coburg's obtained their lands in the UK then those methods may cause me to re-think my opinioin but at the moment this bolshy individual believes all crown assets were obtained by illigitmate means and are a damaging anachronism in the modern, democratic world.

YMMV
 
Information Analyst said:
No, they effectively pay 85% tax on the Crown Estates income, and then additional income tax on the remaining 15%. I think that's exceptionally generous by any measure.
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Would I be generous if I "owned"
more than half of the UK's foreshore
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What is this nonsense? Should we be grateful to the Monarch that the state is no longer in reality, though it is by constitutional fiction, the servant of the Crown?
 
3point14 said:
Ah, I suspect this is where the derail ends.
I don't believe there's any part of the crown estates that were obtained legitimately. That's for another thread though. :)
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Who was the Duchy Of Cornwall taken illegitimately from?
 
MG1962 said:
Who was the Duchy Of Cornwall taken illegitimately from?
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The Cornish.

A quick google reveals that it was stolen during the Norman invasion when some fellow rocked up with a big old army, put a flag in the ground and said 'this is mine cos I have the biggest army. Anyone wanna argue?' and that was that.

After that it was passed around through various thieves and sons of thieves until it ended up with Charles.
 
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3point14 said:
The Cornish.

A quick google reveals that it was stolen during the Norman invasion when some fellow rocked up with a big old army, put a flag in the ground and said 'this is mine cos I have the biggest army. Anyone wanna argue?' and that was that.
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And how did the previous owner acquire it?
 
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