Well, there's a lot to be said for verbosity. Let's see how much of it I can be fagged to deal with.
No, you don't have to be holding a grudge to decide I'm 'incoherent'. That someone so obviously intelligent dismisses an opposing position as 'incoherent' saddens me,
I haven't called Bikerdruid or MrPurple incoherent and they disagree with me. I wonder why that is?
but you're right, it may not be a grudge.
It isn't. YOU are the one who brought that up.
It may just be that you are unafraid to admit that your intelligence is limited and you cannot make sense of an attempt to communicate.
Your "attempt to communicate" was muddled, conflated different posters and just outright got things wrong.
As I mentioned, that does strike me as not dissimilar to the sort of chap that shouts 'oy, abdul, let's have some more poppadoms over here'.
So now I'm not only unable to accept that my intelligence has limits (patently ridiculous) but I'm also equivalent to some raving drunken idiot in a curry house?
Good lord alive, the arrogance and hypocrisy is astounding!
But perhaps there's a third option I haven't seen.
That I'm, you know, not wrong about you talking crap?
Perhaps you're drunk? Who knows.
The emphasis on "you're" makes it seem like you're replying to me accusing you of being drunk. Strange that I don't recall ever mentioning alcohol in any context in this thread. Let's have a look shall we?
Or you could live in the real world where people are trying to make a genuine difference.
I would rather have everyone on roughly the same tier of development as the first world, but as it stands today because of the decisions of the past, we aren't in that place and that sucks. What that means however, is that we should strive to raise up those who live in disadvantaged areas, be they poverty stricken areas of the West or third world countries and push them slowly but surely towards a modern standard of living.
I think it's criminal that your average Kenyan doesn't get to benefit from much modern medicine. I see the solution to the imbalance as lifting the Kenyan to our level without denying ourselves out of a sense of martyrdom. You seem to see this as being elitist, simply because I realistically acknowledge that we are a privileged few.
Give me a reason that I should give up modern medicine, the only reason I am alive today, purely because others have no access to it. Why should I die just because they do too? Isn't it better to use it when you can and help others get it to rather than denying ourselves out of some self-righteous sense that we shouldn't be so elitist as to use what medicine we can?
Nope, no mention of alcohol or accusing you of being drunk there. Next post.
Jiggery, are you pulling our legs here?
Nope.
Yeah he's trolling.
Moving back to the people who want to have a serious discussion....
There's a difference between disagreeing with me and raving incoherently whilst effectively insisting that if I don't stop using the modern medicine that's kept me alive these last 23 years I might as well have raped Africa myself. Honestly, if you aren't trolling for laughs, you're an absolute lunatic.
ETA: In fact, your incoherent ramblings have such little basis in reality I'm wondering if you aren't trying to make primitivists look bad.
Not in either of those either, and it isn't in my long post to you that you quoted. How strange!
On the other hand, QuixoteCoyote
did suggest that you might be drunk
in this post here.
Honestly, if you can't tell the difference between the two people you're arguing with, then it might well be time to take a break from posting.
'Number 3' is not not only insane, it's also fictional. That it strikes you as insane may be because you invented it...
Then I freely admit that it was not one of your arguments, and thus I will retract it as I said I would. That doesn't save you from the rubbish you followed this with though.
It may be true (it likely is) that not exploiting Africa (then or now) would result in the death of children.
So? If you can show me how that applies to anything I've said I will eat my not insubstantial collection of hats.
Yep. This is relevant to my point because....?
Now. In your advanced, developed, primitiviphobic world.
I take it you mean the United Kingdom where I reside? Well yeah, people die. Still don't get why it's relevant.
Most of them in Africa, I'd wager. Those that live will likely be engaged in backbreaking work to satisfy your developed economy.
Really? Wow, aside from being what I suspect is a major overstatement of the African contribution to the UK economy, that's pretty much what I agreed with in the post you quoted. Are you actually reading what you're responding to?
'Number 4' is too, I think. I'm not sure what you're saying there
It's fairly obvious. You seem to be suggesting that I want the third world subjugated and abused to fuel my developed world.
(which is only one step away from ordering poppadoms from Abdul, I grant you, but at least I didn't suggest you must be drunk).
See above. I didn't suggest you must be drunk either, and the only person who hinted you might be didn't suggest you "must" be drunk.
Number 5 makes more sense, before it gets bogged down in inventing things that I might think.
Well, given that you go on irrelevant rants about the developed world and wabbits, is it any surprise that I assume that you were trying to link it to what I was saying?
My development point still holds - Africa cannot follow the developed world's path precisely.
Right. So?
That same lecturer (of anecdote fame) celebrated 'trickle down' economics. If only the priviliged few hadn't built a bath with such high sides, so that relatively little wealth slopped over and trickled down.
Trickle down economics? Yeah, that's not what I advocate at all.
"Money is easy". Yeah, right.
Yes, it is. I think it would be quite easy for the developed world to set aside considerably more for the developed world than they do right now.
Tell me you're not quite near the apex of the pyramid.
In terms of the world economy, if you live in a developed country you are almost certainly near the top of the pyramid. In terms of the UK economy, I'm right at the bottom (unemployed graduate with student loan debt, bank debt and debt to others).
Money is easy... It has to come from somewhere, though.
Yes it does.
Will it come from the budget that kept you alive? Or the budget that kept someone else alive?
You don't seem to understand how economics works. Not all money collected by the assorted economically developed countries goes to keeping people alive precisely because it doesn't need to.
"It's not like we're running out of iron or anything". Or anything? We're running out of everything.
Eventually. We aren't going to run out of basics for a very long time, unless you have evidence that the world is facing major shortages of iron or some similarly vital resource.
Finite world, infinite imagination. Reality will win out.
Nice platitude, but utterly worthless.
I appreciate your earnest desire to do the right thing by Africa,
Well at least you aren't waving comments about the rape of Africa close enough to my posts to make it look like you're accusing me of being a heartless capitalist pig-dog.
but not only drunks disagree with your earnest belief that it will happen soon enough, almost by accident.
Wait what? Are you reading what I wrote
at all?
I specifically stated more than once that it would be a long, slow process that requires immense efforts. Where on earth did you pull that rubbish from?
I'd disagree with you sober, too, and the fact that your first recall is to call me 'drunk' says something.
As I've stated above, I never called you drunk, and the one person who hinted you might be didn't use it as the "first recall" (I assume you mean recourse?)
Your final point is tried and tested. They called them 'missionaries' at the time (and still do, I fear).
I simply refuse to believe that you bothered to read my post at all, and if you did you are utterly incapable of any kind of reading for comprehension. You genuinely took modern scientific education and training in operation of power plants to be either the same as or equal to the spreading of Christianity?
