Press for truth!

You don´t understand it - i´m not talking about al quaida
or the usual terrorists thing. Read the thread again. Try
to read slowly if my translation is not perfect.

Sorry, but now you're either trying to weasel out of responsibility for what you said, or you're just an idiot. Your exact words:

It depends on wich side you stand to
claim - the ones on the other side are
the terrorists.

But you have to view it from a neutral
place to see: they´re both - or none
of them.

Bolding mine.

So if we aren't talking about terrorists, why did you say you were?
 
Sorry, but now you're either trying to weasel out of responsibility for what you said, or you're just an idiot. Your exact words:
Bolding mine.
So if we aren't talking about terrorists, why did you say you were?

Read it again if you don´t get it. It´s right in front of
you. So don´t bore me in a serious discussion if you
don´t know. I reply later to open questions. To all
of you who raise them.
 
Read it again if you don´t get it. It´s right in front of
you. So don´t bore me in a serious discussion if you
don´t know. I reply later to open questions. To all
of you who raise them.

Then I'm writing you off.

ALl it would take is a simple, clear statement of what you meant. Instead, you want to further insult me.

If you're talking about Iraq, the same thing applies. Iraq invaded and took over a soveriegn nation (Kuwait) for no reason. Iraq consistently and constantly violated the UN sanctions against it (those that authorized force) after Kuwait was liberated. Iraq conducted chemical weapons trials against it's own people. Iraq (specifically, Saddam) drive what was once a rising power in the Middle East into a third world nation. Saddam used torture amd intimidation against his own people, denied them the benefits of technology, disallowed freedom of speech and action, and forced compliance from the populace through various means.

Even this is an insult.

You are, at best, a moral relativist who does not have the cajones to actually take a stand, and you allow your prejudice against the U.S. to color your perception.

The U.S has done wrong, yes. But certain comparisons are not valid, yours among them.

Besides, even this doesn't apply. The U.S. never labelled the Iraqi citizens as terrorists, or even most of the Iraqi military. Only specific elements of the government and specific factions in the country, those we are still fighting (and those that are still targetting innocents, using children as shields, and attacking non-combatants).

One side is the terrorist, I've seen no justification for applying that label to the other side yet.
 
Let's see your post once again, I don't understand it.

It depends on wich side you stand to
claim - the ones on the other side are
the terrorists.

Well, when it comes to 9/11, the ones who perpetrated the attacks are terrorists. Maybe the terrorists see themselves as "freedom fighters", and think their attack was legitimate, but it was a terrorist attack.

But you have to view it from a neutral
place to see: they´re both - or none
of them.

What does that mean? Are you saying either everybody is a terrorist or nobody is?

Think about it. I know you´re still in your old
position. Think neutral.

Added: Beside usa, 911, presidents, rights, terrorists,
al quaida and so on. Try to leave this side out of your
mind for a moment.

Then what are we talking about?

You may miss the other side right now, am i wrong?

If you leave everything out, what is the other side?
 
Let's see your post once again, I don't understand it. Well, when it comes to 9/11, the ones who perpetrated the attacks are terrorists. Maybe the terrorists see themselves as "freedom fighters", and think their attack was legitimate, but it was a terrorist attack.
What does that mean? Are you saying either everybody is a terrorist or nobody is?Then what are we talking about?If you leave everything out, what is the other side?

Did i wrote it in chinese? :-D Read the thread and don´t
bore me - i won´t answer until someone understands
the disccussion itself - not the last comment i made.
Geeesus.

If you leave everything out, what is the other side?

Congratulations, Pardalis. I see you´re getting closer
to what i said.

Out.
 
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Congratulations, Pardalis. I see you´re getting closer
to what i said.

????

Are you saying this thread is about nothing?

If it's not about 9/11, the terrorists, or the Bush administration, WTF is it about?
 
a reminder: the OP

Stop for a moment.

Forget about all you are involved in here. Forget about Dylan Avery, the Jones', Controlled Demolition, your fight against the so called "Truth Movement".

Now watch this video: 9/11 Press for truth

We need an independent international investigation of 9/11. You have to stop mocking the victims. I feel with the people of the united states of america and hope you will take your country back. Thanks and good luck.

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:confused:

..I feel with the people of the united states of america and hope you will take your country back...

If we listen to 9/11 deniers like Childlike, we'll take our country back all right -- all the way back to the Dark Ages.

"Press for truth"? They wouldn't know the truth if it got pressed up their backsides.
 
If we listen to 9/11 deniers like Childlike, we'll take our country back all right -- all the way back to the Dark Ages.

"Press for truth"? They wouldn't know the truth if it got pressed up their backsides.

Where are you from, Stellafane? If you´re an american
citizen, you might not understand the conversation between
Andrew and me. Pardalis should - as a man from Frankreich.

ADDED: Andrew may not know the whole issue of our
conversation, too, i guess. But i´m waiting for his response.
 
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Third, a vast amount of medical research has been done into Depleted Uranium by a number of different organisations. The health risks are considered minute.

In addition, while troops in the Gulf War suffered from Gulf War Syndrome, troops in Bosnia - also exposed to Depleted Uranium - have not experienced these symptoms. Logic says their illness is caused by something else.
New study says that Gulf War syndrome is not real.
 
@Belz: Don't be fearful, Fiend God: Terrorism in context

In that case we need to learn from history. How did the holocaust happen? Because the world sat there for a decade and watched while Hitler rose to power, and did NOTHING, in the interests of peace.
No, it happened because the germans followed him. They thought he was the man that would do the "right" thing and secure them from the versailles treaty, unemployment etc. In general: their fears. The majority first thought he and his obsession with the JOOOS were a bit strange but nearly no one wanted to really look at the horrific consequences "Mein Kampf" implied. Propaganda did the rest.

Wait, so you're saying the AMERICANS are like the Nazis?
Perhaps they are like the germans.

Nuremberg Trials, Indictments:

  1. Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of crime against peace
  2. Planning, initiating and waging wars of aggression and other crime against peace
  3. War crimes
  4. Crimes against humanity
 
I think it's pretty thoroughly established that there are clear and strong links between Al Qaeda and important members of the ISI. The mistake this documentary makes is to assume OFFICIAL connections APPROVED by the US Government.

Bear in mind, the purpose of this doco is to attack the government. Had the US invaded Pakistan, they would be pointing to vague links to some other country the US *should* have gone after instead of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They're not interested in "truth", they're interested in claiming the US government did "the wrong thing".

-Andrew

You missed the man with the mustache and the uniform.

And re: Tora Bora you missed the fact that they let the "North Alliance" do the dirty work despite the fact that high ranking military warned that these people weren't trustworthy (beeing criminals, drug barons, fanatics not much better than the taliban).

Surprise, surprise, they let OBL escape.
 
Where are you from, Stellafane? If you´re an american
citizen, you might not understand the conversation between
Andrew and me. Pardalis should - as a man from Frankreich.

ADDED: Andrew may not know the whole issue of our
conversation, too, i guess. But i´m waiting for his response.

Actually, I'm from Québecreich, and I'm not sure what you are talking about anymore. Are we talking about the events of 9/11?
 
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You missed the man with the mustache and the uniform.

And re: Tora Bora you missed the fact that they let the "North Alliance" do the dirty work despite the fact that high ranking military warned that these people weren't trustworthy (beeing criminals, drug barons, fanatics not much better than the taliban).

Surprise, surprise, they let OBL escape.

Do you honestly believe these criminals, drug barons, and fanatics would pass up the money on OBL's head?
 
Childlike, was the whole point of this thread to compare Bush to hitler?

All I see in that movie "Press for Truth" are some hindight accusations, government incompetence and Intelligence failures and ambiguous connections between Al Qaeda and the Pakistani Intelligence.

If you want an "international" investigation about 9/11, go right ahead. No one is stopping anybody, do it already. I'l be glad to read the final report, I'm pretty sure it's conclusion will state something like this: " 19 members of Al Qaeda highjacked four planes and slammed them into the WTC towers, the Pentagon, and a field in Shanksville."

But don't accuse people of such crimes without having made that investigation first. Remember, innocent until proven guilty.
 
No, Pardalis. The point was to present the excellent movie. These people are not "the families of victims" as gumboot said, they ARE victims. To a much lower degree we are all victims of 911. The people that died on 911 are dead and no one can help them, but the aftermath of the event threatens us all.

This crime was not thouroughly investigated and many people here are closing their eyes to it.

Beeing a german i want to warn you that it is VERY dangerous to trust authorities and that there ARE parallels between germany 70 years ago and the US (and the whole west) today.

I really wish i am wrong concerning 911 and the rise of fascism in the west today (Bush=Hitler is an extreme oversimplifiing of the situation) but i doubt it and i will do everything i can to stop this development, even if i annoy the people here with my efforts.
 
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And re: Tora Bora you missed the fact that they let the "North Alliance" do the dirty work despite the fact that high ranking military warned that these people weren't trustworthy (beeing criminals, drug barons, fanatics not much better than the taliban).

Surprise, surprise, they let OBL escape.
NATO had no choice but to let the Northern Alliance fight the Tora Bora battle. NATO simply did not have the men or materiel in place to fight the battle at that time, this was only a few months after 9/11 remember. About all NATO could do was provide a few special forces soldiers and air support, which they did.
 

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