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gumboot said:
In that case we need to learn from history. How did the holocaust happen? Because the world sat there for a decade and watched while Hitler rose to power, and did NOTHING, in the interests of peace.

Something to think about.

-Andrew
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Proposal: We should attack Iraq.
Reason: HITLER.

This is just as dumb as saying

Bush sucks.
Reason: HITLER.

For some reason, neocons can see that one is stupid, but not the other.
There are tons of despots in the world, so it's relatively easy to justify war by saying, "Well, we have to stop this guy before he turns into Hitler."
So, how is Hussein like Hitler? Or, better, how was Hussein a threat to the safety of the world comparable to the threat that Hitler was?
 
Childlike Empress said:
but the aftermath of the event threatens us all.
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Yes, islamic terrorism is very dangerous.

Beeing a german i want to warn you that it is VERY dangerous to trust authorities and that there ARE parallels between germany 70 years ago and the US (and the whole west) today.
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Being a German doesn't give you any right to compare the Bush administration to Hitler. Nazi Germany was 70 years ago, you don't have anymore special insights on fascism than I do.

Prove your case first.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's simply not true, WildCat. Tora Bora isn't Mordor.
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Yes it is true. And it may as well have been Mordor. There were no airfields nearby capable of handling large cargo aircraft for starters. In fact, the first thing NATO had to do in Afghanistan was secure the old Soviet airfield at Baghram. Once that was done, it had to be repaired and made capable of landing said large transport and cargo aircraft. This takes months, not days. And once repairs are complete it takes at least another month to get the required men and materiel in place. And once that is done guess what? It's not like Tora Bora was just around the corner. It was in mountainous terrain w/ few roads hundreds of miles away.

In short, there was no way in hell you were going to insert thousands of NATO troops in that battle. Dream on CE.
 
Or, better, how was Hussein a threat to the safety of the world comparable to the threat that Hitler was
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Worse, larger one strike weapons,...well maybe. If he wanted, Allah(pic not avail at release)knows he would when he could. Invaided local country, no real reason( 893 province don't count)! Threatened US every chance he got...etc..!
Damn sorry... done!

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That's simply not true, WildCat. Tora Bora isn't Mordor.
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NO! It's the size of Cali F'ing fornia! Without the "Thomas Bros. Guide"!
 
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Huntsman said:
You are, at best, a moral relativist who does not have the cajones to actually take a stand, and you allow your prejudice against the U.S. to color your perception.

The U.S has done wrong, yes. But certain comparisons are not valid, yours among them.
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Moral relativism? Isn't that where you evaluate each action to see if it is right or wrong, without dogma? Seems downright reasonable.

Consider this video.
If this action had been carried out by militant Islamists, instead of US troops, it would've been considered terrorism, right?
 
No, moral relativism is where you impart equivalence of behaviour/action to people or groups. In this case, much as I am wary of the actions of the Bush administration, and much as I believe that the role of the neo-cons caused them to misjudge their course of action vis a vis Iraq, I see no equivalence between their actions and those of a terrorist group which deliberately sought to kill as many thousand of civilians as they could.
 
Childlike, you may know fascism from your history classes in school and from your grandparents, but what do you know about US politics, except the anti-Bush propaganda you read? What do you know of their long tradition of democracy and liberty? Have you ever been to the US?
 
What do you know of their long tradition of democracy and liberty? Have you ever been to the US?
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Not to get toooo patriotic, but here goes! The US is like the "cool party" on the week-end growing up! If you get invited to it, it rocks, if not it sucks!!!
Then again 20 million illegal aliens can't be wrong!
 
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Before i leave again i want to clarify that i don't want to compare the US-Government to the Hitler Government or the US-Forces to the Nazi Forces. It's not that simple and there are a lot of brave and honest men working in US institutions.

@Pardalis: Germany has a long and wonderful history of philosophy, music, science and so on. I am not anti-american, quite the contrary.

CU
 
Parsman said:
No, moral relativism is where you impart equivalence of behaviour/action to people or groups.
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Not according to this, or the way I have seen it used.

It is the opposite of holding a moral dogma. For example, instead of saying, "All killing is bad", or "All lying is bad", you evaluate each instance of killing or lying. The moral relativist will admit that, under some circumstances, killing or lying is necessary, and therefore good.

I think moral relativism is unavoidable. Even neocons use it, right? For example, killing our people (WTC) is bad, but killing their people (Afghanistan/Iraq) is good.

At least, that's how I understand it.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Before i leave again i want to clarify that i don't want to compare the US-Government to the Hitler Government or the US-Forces to the Nazi Forces. It's not that simple and there are a lot of brave and honest men working in US institutions.

@Pardalis: Germany has a long and wonderful history of philosophy, music, science and so on. I am not anti-american, quite the contrary.

CU
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Let me guess... you've had your regular biweekly intramuscular of flupenthixol decanoate and won't be back again until the last two or three days before your next scheduled shot when it's at it's weakest?
 
WildCat said:
Says me, and if you think there's a way to teleport thousands of troops and materiel to Tora Bora I'd love to hear how to do this...
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The same way you can magically teleport tens of thousands of explosive charges into position inside a building without disturbing drywall, cieling tiles or floor coverings?
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
The same way you can magically teleport tens of thousands of explosive charges into position inside a building without disturbing drywall, cieling tiles or floor coverings?
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Oh yeah, i forgot the USA can do anything.

Except fake the data correctly on a FDR and plant WMD's.
 
Hey Childlike -

I came here a few days ago thinking this forum was inhabited by science minded skeptics. And while a few exchanges have gotten into actual evidence and logical reasoning, for the most part, these guys just fall back on name calling and the like. It's been an education.

TS1234
 
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