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At least this video tends to push LIHOP and incompatance rather than MIHOP.
Oh come on, you know that doesn't matter.

Whether it's MIHOP, or whether it's LIHOP.
We have to find a way to make this war stop.
 
The key word here is "allowed". The US-arrogance syndrome dictates that, if they escaped, the US must have allowed it. There's an obvious flaw in this logic. Al Qaeda were on their home turf. US forces were not that hot on alpine counter-insurrgent warfare. I'm not surprised so many escaped for so long (I'm guessing this doco is now dated since the coalition has since taken big chunks out of Al Qaeda including KSM - the mastermind of 9/11).
The US has an entire division trained specifically for mountain warfare. The problem is, Tora Bora was just a few months after 9/11. We just didn't have enough troops or materiel over there yet, and really had no choice but to let local allies fight the battle.
 
See the video Abby and realitybites made...
...And run the risk of having that damn song run through your head in every single waking moment for three days!

:eek:

Seriously, though, watch the video. It's hilarious.
 
The US has an entire division trained specifically for mountain warfare. The problem is, Tora Bora was just a few months after 9/11. We just didn't have enough troops or materiel over there yet, and really had no choice but to let local allies fight the battle.


I'd really like to know the date that doco was made. They talked about "the war in Afghanistan was over and no one was caught". Yet as we know, fighting is still ongoing in Afghanistan, and every now and then another prominent Al Qaeda member is either captured or knocked off.

Perhaps people just expected instant results?

Sorry, I don't meant to deride the excellent 10th Mountain Division. :)

But the US Military is not geared to fighting a guerilla war. IIRC the 10th Mountain had not seen alpine combat since Korea, which means none of the troops in Afghanistan had alpine combat experience.

What the US really needed was highly skilled alpine trackers - that's why NZSAS were called in so early, and used so extensively - they're widely accepted as the best trackers in the world.

Of course, the Americans learned FAST, which is why they later rapidly proved far more successful. I was reading a USMC newspaper recently that talked about a single USMC infantry platoon that was testing new techniques and tactics for warfare in Afghanistan that were producing exceptional results.

You're also certainly right in that all that early stuff happened too early - it takes time to invade a country! (Kind of discredits CT claims that the US had forces poised to invade as well).

I think it might have been Huntsman who was talking about the enormous number of troops that would be required to secure the Pakistan/Afghanistan border. You practically need a guy every hundred paces!

As a result you guys had to rely on Pakistan to do the deed. Well, we know how big an issue that is. Osama bin Laden is a hero for a good chunk of the country.

-Andrew
 
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Seriously, though, watch the video. It's hilarious.


:o I feel stupid.

I have seen the video. I just completely missed the reference. I thought Peephole was a raving CTer who had totally misunderstood Kent1's comments.

Man I feel like a dummy... :boxedin:

-Andrew
 
I think somebody accidentally copied and pasted the truncated address. This forum software shortens links and puts ... in the middle of them.

It works fine if you try to click it, but if you try to copy it into another thread you get a broken link.
 
What the US really needed was highly skilled alpine trackers - that's why NZSAS were called in so early, and used so extensively - they're widely accepted as the best trackers in the world.
Yeah, lots of gorgeous mountains in NZ, I'd love to visit there some day. Looks dangerous though w/ all those Orcs running around... you should really do something about them.
 
I'm a mac user: Tried Firefox (logged in) and Safari (not logged in), but got the same Google "video may not be available" message.

liked your writing about LC, Mr. Wong.
 
I think somebody accidentally copied and pasted the truncated address. This forum software shortens links and puts ... in the middle of them.

It works fine if you try to click it, but if you try to copy it into another thread you get a broken link.


D'oh. Yes find the footage from GZ thread. By Abbyas.
 
Yeah, lots of gorgeous mountains in NZ, I'd love to visit there some day. Looks dangerous though w/ all those Orcs running around... you should really do something about them.


They keep us on our toes...

And yes, it is a rather pretty place:

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-Andrew

ETA. Eek! How do I get the picture up smaller with the little "thumbnail" box around it?
 
Whether it's MIHOP, or whether it's LIHOP.
We have to find a way to make this war stop.

Thanks for putting that freaken song in my head, again!
All it makes me think about is breakfast at you know where. Rooty tooty fresh and fruity, anyone? Not you reality bites!

FUDGE.... it won't get out of me head!
 
I think their sentiments are wrong, and their research appears to be flawed, but I understand their feelings - grief impairs reason.

What is sickening is the way the filmmakers have used that to their own advantage, to make a propaganda piece.

This has some some elements of truth to it.

But I also tend to believe one of the women at the end when she comments on Bush's remark that "the government needs to be right all the time, and the terrorists right only once". I think she's right that this is over simplifying things. Al Qaeda were right a bunch of times, they could have been detected a number of times before 9/11. On the day of 9/11, that was too late. You have to be accountable for your incompetence. She's right about that. But yet most of these guys are still in office.

Whether they let them pass throught their security and intelligence on purpose, that is yet to be proven, I tend to believe more on incompetence than malevolence.
 
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