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I wonder how many 9/11 CT -ers used to believe in alien abduction?

The whole affair has the same whiff of government in the know, but covering up.
I know there are still otherwise sane folk in the USA who deny the US military was run out of Vietnam by a bunch of Asians- that was a gummint plot , too.
Even harder to accept the whole US military / intelligence community was caught on the pot by a bunch of amateurs who had read the bit in some martial arts mag. about using your opponent's strength against him.

Did anyone expect the US air force to shoot down airliners full of civilians?
That's the Navy's job.
 
But I also tend to believe one of the women at the end when she comments on Bush's remark that "the government needs to be right all the time, and the terrorists right only once". I think she's right that this is over simplifying things. Al Qaeda were right a bunch of times, they could have been detected a number of times before 9/11. On the day of 9/11, that was too late. You have to be accountable for your incompetence. She's right about that. But yet most of these guys are still in office.
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And it's people like Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and other members of 9/11 Deniers that make the government stronger. When Dylan Avery cheers for each Israeli killed because some 6 year old Palestine kid blows himself up or KillTown denying the holocaust or Alex Jones tries to label all those in power as "Satanists"...this only gives the government every piece of authority to stay on the defensive. All it has to do is point out the nuts in the population and they win.

So thanks 9/11 Deniers, for making the government stronger and stubborn by making up fairy tales about them.
 
realitybites said:
Haha. You can double check with Abby and Gravy, but I'm pretty sure I'm the least fresh 'n fruity gay guy you'll ever come across. :cool:
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Uhh yeah...., that ain't gonna happen. Good to know though. LMAO!
Sorry, couldn't resist! Peace.
 
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MarkyX said:
So thanks 9/11 Deniers, for making the government stronger and stubborn by making up fairy tales about them.
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I'm not sure I understand your argument.

I think the 9/11 Deniers are throwing off the debate entirely, they focus the attention on these idiotic details when we should really focus on the main two key issues: Islamic terrorism, and government incompetence.
 
I just watched the entire thing..

A little disappointing, due to the fact that there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of investigation but much speculation.

They complain to the press about not doing their job, yet use the press as evidnece of their point.

I'm suprised I watched it all. Being one of the guys that the 9/11 Deniers hate and studying this event for the past few months, I kept gagging at some of their BS and quote mining.
 
Pardalis said:
I'm not sure I understand your argument.

I think the 9/11 Deniers are throwing off the debate entirely, they focus the attention on these idiotic details when we should really focus on the main two key issues: Islamic terrorism, and government incompetence.
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Exactly.

9/11 Deniers pratically HOLD HANDS with the islamic terrorism. They call them freedom fighters or cheer when Iran sides with them. Their arguments are based on personal attacks (lol George Bush is Hitler) to downright threats of the president.

When you have an opponent is that literally cries out for blood and tries to dehumanize you, why should you co-operate with them?
 
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I think the CT movement is also throwing off the more sane and realistic aspects of some the legitimate doubts that people might have about 9/11. I don't think the world is black and white, and there may very well be some kind of a politically motivated cover-up of some elements of the story. But we have to be careful of not falling ill to the Conspiracy bug and start to see ramifications leading down to Nazi Germany, or even the Crusades. Maybe there are some links between AlQaeda and Pakistan that the US doesn't want to admit, because of the diplomatic and political stresses it would create whithin the global geopolitic arena.

But all that Illuminati-controlled demolition-fake phone calls BS is just fueling the extremist that want to do us harm. It's counter-productive and downright misinformation.
 
MarkyX said:
Alex Jones tries to label all those in power as "Satanists"
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It always bugs the crap outta me when CTers pick on Satanists. When was the last time you even met a Satanist?
And they run the world? WTF?

(Actually, if Bush really were a Satanist, that'd be pretty fun. All dressed in black, rockin' out to Slayer...remodelling the White House into a gothic cathedral...

Yeah, Jones, you and your filthy, camo-clad gun-lovers hiding up in the woods pretty much SUCK IT compared to any Satanists.)
 
But I also tend to believe one of the women at the end when she comments on Bush's remark that "the government needs to be right all the time, and the terrorists right only once".
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Actually, it's a rehashed IRA phrase from the 1980's - they said the British security forces had to get lucky all the time, but they only had to once". I don't have a link, but remember it getting some media coverage.

Can't the CT mob even come up with their own soundbites?
 
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Actually, it's a rehashed IRA phrase from the 1980's - they said the British security forces had to get lucky all the time, but they only had to once".
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You're right, it was re: the Brighton bombing:

Party conferences have been recognised by the police and security services as a prime terrorist target ever since the IRA attack on Margaret Thatcher at the 1984 Conservative conference in Brighton.

The then-Prime Minister narrowly escaped death because she was in her bathroom when the 100lb bomb exploded, but five people, including an MP, were killed.

Afterwards, an IRA statement read: "Today we were unlucky, but remember, we only have to be lucky once; you will have to be lucky always."
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gumboot said:
The first 10 minutes of the film primarily deals with a claim of a NORAD stand down...
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That claim has been well-refuted in this forum by the good work from you and others. Far from standing down or getting caught flat-footed, the NORAD responders discharged their duty that day in a manner that (should at least) cast honor upon themselves, their organization, their command and the United States Air Force.

NEADS worked to push the ROEs in order to get alert aircraft wheels-up and was backed by higher headquarters. The ID technicians actively sought out information to better illuminate the battle space. The Mission Crew Commander, with the aid of his battle staff, displayed admirable initiative in trying to find his best play from an empty contingency list and no real satisfactory options. Especially poignant was the NEADS MCC demonstration of his ability to lead men in the midst of chaos. When shock, frustration and disbelief began to filter into the decision tree, Major Nasypany calmed his men with a simple directive to keep all communications professional. (An example you would do well to study, Gumboot, if you are also granted command.) Aircrew without sufficient weapons loads openly discussed using their own aircraft as guided missiles in order to save lives on the ground and those with teeth contemplated the reality of pulling the trigger on a loaded civilian airliner.

This is all taken from a record for anyone with a rational mind to see and understand.
 
It looks as if the Press for Truth! crowd will be getting their moment in the sun tommorow on C-SPAN. Hopefully I can find the time to call and ask a NORAD question.
 
Well it looks like I missed CLE...too bad.

Seems like a deliberate antagonistic remark...that worked, unfortunately. She riled up everyones tempers, and then cut and ran.

The fact is that she knows Fetzer, Avery, Bermas, and many of the other public figures in the "truth" movements have OPENLY mocked many of the 9/11 victims. I am sure she has watched the video where said mockery can be found.

The wonderful thing, is unlike that other forum, she was able to speak her mind, as viscously as she did, and yet was not banned or suspended.

Take pride in that.

TAM

oh and re: the taste testing...that was just funny...white chocolate...lol
 
Cylinder said:
Especially poignant was the NEADS MCC demonstration of his ability to lead men in the midst of chaos. When shock, frustration and disbelief began to filter into the decision tree, Major Nasypany calmed his men with a simple directive to keep all communications professional. (An example you would do well to study, Gumboot, if you are also granted command.)
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Well stated (you're entire post, by the way).

The actions of the NEADS team, especially Nasypany, were exemplary. Far from the stand-down CTers claim, the NEADS response was as good a "race to the finish" as any Hollywood action flick. Despite starting well on the back foot, they struggled right until the end (well past it, in truth).

Being familiar now with how badly the odds were stacked against them, their response was exceptional.

(In case you didn't notice NORAD is my baby when it comes to 9/11 CT's ;) )

-Andrew
 
Pardalis said:
Maybe there are some links between AlQaeda and Pakistan that the US doesn't want to admit, because of the diplomatic and political stresses it would create whithin the global geopolitic arena.
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I think it's pretty thoroughly established that there are clear and strong links between Al Qaeda and important members of the ISI. The mistake this documentary makes is to assume OFFICIAL connections APPROVED by the US Government.

Bear in mind, the purpose of this doco is to attack the government. Had the US invaded Pakistan, they would be pointing to vague links to some other country the US *should* have gone after instead of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They're not interested in "truth", they're interested in claiming the US government did "the wrong thing".

-Andrew
 
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