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Presidential Primaries 2016

Trakar said:
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But I do believe that the vast majority of Hillary's supporters will quickly and rather easily (some, perhaps, even "relievibly") become Sanders supporters when he accepts nomination.
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Don't they have to vote for him in the primary first?:cool:
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Don't they have to vote for him in the primary first?:cool:
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For a time, some were predicting a brokered or negotiated primary - no clear winner and much debate about who to choose. It is possible that Bloomberg might think he could step in and win the nomination in such a situation.
 
Puppycow said:
Trump: You guys would vote for me if I was a mass murderer!
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Changed it slightly.
“If Donald Trump wins (Iowa), it’s going to be a snowball to hell,” Beck said.
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Oh Glen Beck , you still got it(crazy, you still got the crazy)
Mixing those two metaphors seems rather counter to his message.

On Trump's claim that he could go on a shooting spree and not lose supporters: I agree , many of his supporters would stick with him. Unless DJT is actually considering testing the hypothesis it says more about the psyche of his core support than it does of him.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
Don't they have to vote for him in the primary first?:cool:
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I don't think that Sanders needs to win over all of Hillary's supporters before or during the primaries, in order to win the primaries. That said, the primary reason most of Hillary's supporters seem to currently be Hillary's supporters rather than Sanders' supporters is because they are concerned about electability with Sanders. Even most of the Hillary supporters here have said that the primary reason they are supporting Hillary instead of Sanders is that they are afraid of turning the White House over to the Republicans. Once Sanders demonstrates that he can widen and expand the electorate while exciting and motivating turnout for the Democratic party, a lot, if not all, of those reservations fade away.
 
Arisia said:
How much predictive value do Iowa and New Hampshire have these days?
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It's less about being predictive and more about narrowing the field, or on the democratic side, at least this election, it serves as a test to see if the race between Hillary and Sanders is actually competitive. Had Sanders not closed the gap and lost Iowa by a decent amount it would have cemented the 'Hillary has the nom in the bag and Sanders it's unelectable' narrative.
 
Arisia said:
How much predictive value do Iowa and New Hampshire have these days?
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Assuming that the candidates have money, Iowa and New Hampshire have very little. However, people seem to want daily drama so they claim more significance for Iowa and the other early primaries than is actually there.

Sanders has $28 million while Clinton has $38 million; they'll both be around well past Super Tuesday regardless of how well they do in the early primaries. Cruz, Rubio, and Bush have about $10 million each which is enough to get them at least past Super Tuesday.

After Super Tuesday a poor showing will knock you out of the race. That's if you have money. Candidates like Martin O'Malley with $800,000 in the bank are on life support now.
 
Trakar said:
... the primary reason most of Hillary's supporters seem to currently be Hillary's supporters rather than Sanders' supporters is because they are concerned about electability with Sanders. ...
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You can keep telling yourself this.

That's not the primary reason, it's one reason. The primary reason is Sanders is pie in the sky.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You can keep telling yourself this.
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I don't have to tell myself this when HRC and her surrogates and supporters have been telling both the public and pollsters this for at least the last three or four months now.

Skeptic Ginger said:
That's not the primary reason, it's one reason. The primary reason is Sanders is pie in the sky.
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I find it interesting that you vote Democratic while considering mainstream Democratic public policy goals over the last 70 years or so, to be "pie in the sky."
 
Trakar said:
I find it interesting that you vote Democratic while considering mainstream Democratic public policy goals over the last 70 years or so, to be "pie in the sky."
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It is odd that. Unless, it is heavily weighted to the gender issue. Which many have shown to be influenced by. YMMV
 
Trakar said:
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I find it interesting that you vote Democratic while considering mainstream Democratic public policy goals over the last 70 years or so, to be "pie in the sky."
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I'm not aware that free college for all as opposed to affordable education for all has been in the Democratic Party Platform before.

Funding schools, funding infrastructure, access to health care (I lean toward single payer but I don't think that's a universal liberal position), ... whatever you put on the list, Sanders is much further left than what you are claiming are mainstream goals.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I'm not aware that free college for all as opposed to affordable education for all has been in the Democratic Party Platform before.

Funding schools, funding infrastructure, access to health care (I lean toward single payer but I don't think that's a universal liberal position), ... whatever you put on the list, Sanders is much further left than what you are claiming are mainstream goals.
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How Mainstream is Bernie Sanders?
By Juan Cole | May. 29, 2015 |
http://www.juancole.com/2015/05/mainstream-bernie-sanders.html

Democratic socialism is as American as apple pie: Why Bernie Sanders’ views are in the mainstream - http://www.salon.com/2015/11/20/dem...y_bernie_sanders_views_are_in_the_mainstream/

Bernie Sanders’ Positions Much More Mainstream Than Media Would Have You Believe - http://www.mintpressnews.com/bernie...n-stream-media-would-have-you-believe/206350/

Bernie Sanders Is About as Radical as Harry Truman - http://prospect.org/article/bernie-sanders-about-radical-harry-truman

lost one somehow?...Oh well, this one works here as well.

Is Bernie Sanders Too Radical for America?
Peter Dreier
June 30, 2015
Although pegged as a fringe candidate, Sanders' views are surprisingly mainstream.
http://prospect.org/article/bernie-sanders-too-radical-america
 
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Funny, all of the links you give are to left wing sites saying Bernie is Mainstream.....of course they will say that.
 
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