Presidential Primaries 2012

Uh-oh, didn't see this coming. The Big Man Upstairs weighs in:

God Urges Rick Perry Not To Run For President

AUSTIN, TX—Describing Texas Gov. Rick Perry as grossly unqualified for the position, God, the Creator and Ruler of the Universe, urged Perry not to run for president of the United States Wednesday. “I prayed last night and asked the Lord to support my candidacy, and He said no,” Perry told reporters outside the Texas Capitol, explaining that God had cited the governor’s rejection of federal stimulus funds to expand state jobless benefits, his irresponsible speculation about Texas seceding from the union, and his overall lack of concrete solutions to nation’s problems as reasons why He could not endorse a Perry presidential bid.

My favorite bit:
When reached for comment, God said He would not be present at Perry’s much-talked-about Christian day of prayer on Aug. 6, calling the governor’s use of his public office to endorse a religion both “irresponsible” and a violation of the Constitution.
I guess this God dude is hipper than I thought. :D
 
Ladies and gentlemen we now have a new front-runner. At least for a moment. The punters at Intrade now consider Rick Perry to be slightly more likely to win the nomination than Romney.

Perry: 31.7% +8.6%
Romney: 30.3% -6.6%
Bachmann: 9.4% +0.2%
Huntsman: 7.0% -0.3%
Pawlenty: 5.8% -0.2%

Republicans must really not be happy with their choices. Suddenly we find non-candidate Sarah Palin moving ahead of Huntsman and Pawlenty in the betting. So I reluctantly add her back to the mix. Meanwhile, interest in Rick Perry seems to be cooling down a little (he had been up over 33 and Romney had been down to 28 a couple days ago).

Romney: 30.8% +0.5%
Perry: 30.4% -1.3%
Bachmann: 7.9% -1.5%
Palin: 7.5% +2.3%
Huntsman: 7.3% +0.3%
Pawlenty: 6.0% +0.2%
Total of top 6: 89.9%

I did a Google News search on Palin to see if I could find a basis for this renewed interest in her, and this seems to be it: Palin to Speak in Iowa in September. That's about it. Another head fake. She's accepting money to give a speech. She's not doing any of the campaign organizing you would expect anyone even considering a serious candidacy would do. Perry at least is calling donors and hiring staff.

I added the total of the top 6 bets because I can't believe the nominee will be anyone other than one of those names (and I think you can safely count out Palin too, which would bring the total down to 82.4%). Anyone else is either not running or not a credible threat to win. The only real remaining question about the field is, is Perry in or out?
 
I support Bachmann but only if her running mate is Turner-Overdrive.
 
I take that back, the BTO ticket would have a chance of winning.
 
It's been a while (a month) since the last update to the master list. Will the following undeclareds please state their intentions!

S. Palin (milk it dry, baby!)
A. Keyes (doesn't stand out in the crazy sweepstakes like he used to)
R. Giuliani (please, please, please)
G. Pataki (political non-entity likely to remain so)
P. Ryan (his name is a by-word for dismantling Medicare)
R. Perry (already running, AFAIC)

New contest!!! Predict the first to drop out. Don't go for the easy answer and say N. Gingrich. Stretch your imagination.
 
It's been a while (a month) since the last update to the master list. Will the following undeclareds please state their intentions!

S. Palin (milk it dry, baby!)
A. Keyes (doesn't stand out in the crazy sweepstakes like he used to)
R. Giuliani (please, please, please)
G. Pataki (political non-entity likely to remain so)
P. Ryan (his name is a by-word for dismantling Medicare)
R. Perry (already running, AFAIC)

New contest!!! Predict the first to drop out. Don't go for the easy answer and say N. Gingrich. Stretch your imagination.

Then I´m going for the next easiest money and saying Sarah Palin. Maybe she´ll even drop out without ever having run in first place.
 
Romney: 30.8% +0.5%
Perry: 30.4% -1.3%
Bachmann: 7.9% -1.5%
Palin: 7.5% +2.3%
Huntsman: 7.3% +0.3%
Pawlenty: 6.0% +0.2%
Total of top 6: 89.9%

Just want to update the current Intrade odds before Thursday's debate and Saturday's straw poll so we can have a baseline to gauge the effect of the debate and the straw poll.

Romney: 32.5% +1.7%
Perry: 30.4% unchanged
Huntsman: 7.5% +0.2%
Pawlenty: 7.0% +1.0%
Palin: 7.0% -0.5%
Bachmann: 6.2% -1.7%
Total of top 6: 90.6%
Not too much to note here except that Bachmann faded from third to sixth, although that group of four "second tier" candidates remains tightly bunched. Expect Bachmann to get a boost if she wins the Ames Straw poll this weekend, which she is favored to win. It would be bad news for her if she can't win it. Ron Paul is second in the betting to win the straw poll and Pawlenty is third, which could be a big boost for him if he can upset Bachmann.
 
Interesting analysis of the polls.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/08/09/rundle-why-is-obama-smiling-perhaps-its-the-polls/

So why is this man smiling? Possibly because he’s looking at the polls, which tell a bizarre story. Obama’s disapproval rating is higher than his approval (running about 55%-45% averaged across several polls), 65%-70% of people feel the country’s going in the wrong direction, and when people are asked to choose between Obama and any Republican candidate, they choose the latter by 6% (about 48%-42%). By any measure, those are bad numbers.
Unless of course, you compare them to the other guy’s numbers. For if Obama’s 10% approval gap is serious, Congress’s — a Republican Congress’s — are catastrophic, approval dipping below 20%. Four times as many people disapprove as approve of Congress, the public face of which is Republican speaker John Boehner. True, Boehner inherited a low-approval rating for Congress — about 30% when Nancy Pelosi was in charge. But from there they have, almost inconceivably, gone down.
Furthermore, when you go to the specifics of who people would prefer to Obama, an even stranger effect emerges. Any Republican candidate in general will do — but none in particular. When Obama is put up against real contenders for the GOP nomination, he comes out trumps. That he easily beats Michele Bachmann by 12%-15%, or Governor Rick Perry (who is yet to announce) by 8%-10%, is no surprise; but more interestingly, he’s also leading solidly against Mitt Romney by about 3%-6%. Not only do these results include Michigan — where Romney’s father was governor — but they also include a Fox news poll, something the network has not been desperate to promote.
This bizarre result points to the dilemma of the Republican party going into next year — for the first time in its history it has no front-running candidate who is a moderate (yes, in this respect, John McCain was a moderate). The fact that Romney — a Mormon, anti-abortion, hardline conservative (in his current image at least) — is seen as the party centre’s candidate, demonstrates how far the party has wandered from the mainstream of American life.
Clearly many people are desperate to vote for someone other than Obama; but the current set-up of the party will not allow it to be offered to them. Tim Pawlenty, an early candidate for the centrist spot, launched in a lacklustre fashion and quickly fell away; Jon Huntsman, whom Obama appointed as ambassador to China, is hoping to make a late run, which is far from impossible (late, as in starting a mere six months before the first primary).
So Obama is on the nose, but there are no Presidential class contenders up against him. The Republican brand is already damaged, after the internal warfare they conducted about the debt ceiling.
 
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New contest!!! Predict the first to drop out. Don't go for the easy answer and say N. Gingrich. Stretch your imagination.

Then I´m going for the next easiest money and saying Sarah Palin. Maybe she´ll even drop out without ever having run in first place.

I don't believe that Palin will run either, but that's not really dropping out. I'll go with Santorum.
 
Well, it's not for a couple more days, but the secret is out that R. Perry, governor of Texas and, more importantly, leading Christianist evangelist, will announce his campaign for pres in South Carolina on Saturday -- same day as the Ames straw poll -- and then travel to New Hampshire to campaign there.

Let's promote God's governor to a solid dot of presidential intention today. Oh, and pray for rain.

In other news, S. Palin will visit the Iowa State Fair. Is that really news as regards this thread?

GOP
S. Palin of Fox News (Yesterday's Bachmann)
W. "M." Romney (Campaign slogan: Romneycare ≠ Obamacare) •
M. Huckabee of Fox News
N. Gingrich of Fox News
B. Jindal
T. Pawlenty •
K. Bailey Hutchison
M. Sanford
D. Patreus
T. Ridge
J. DeMint
C. Crist
R. Paul (le père) •
A. Keyes
J. Bush
R. Giuliani
D. Hunter
J. Huntsman Amb. to China
M. Steele
J. Ensign
H. Barbour
R. Santorum of Fox News
M. Bachmann •
R. Cheney
M. Pence
S. King
R. Ailes of Fox News
G. Pataki
S. Brownback
J. Thune
M. Daniels
G. Johnson (free the buds!) •
J. Bolton of Fox News
C. Christie
P. Ryan
H. Cain, the candidate you can't refuse •
D. Trump (running a fakey/teasy campaign elsewhere)
S. Angle
C. "B." Roemer •
R. Paul (le fils)
F. Karger •
R. Perry •
R. Moore •
T. McCotter •
D. Duke (All new! Frosty beard!) •

Dem
B. Obama •
R. Terry •

Anti- Certain Things Too Much Habituated in the 2 Major Parties
L. Dobbs of Fox News
D. Trump (Hair today, gone tomorrow)

The Rent is Too Damn High
J. McMillan •
 
Just want to update the current Intrade odds before Thursday's debate and Saturday's straw poll so we can have a baseline to gauge the effect of the debate and the straw poll.

Romney: 32.5% +1.7%
Perry: 30.4% unchanged
Huntsman: 7.5% +0.2%
Pawlenty: 7.0% +1.0%
Palin: 7.0% -0.5%
Bachmann: 6.2% -1.7%
Total of top 6: 90.6%

So, after the debate but before the Ames Straw Poll, here's how it stands now:
Perry: 32.1% +1.7%
Romney: 29.6% -2.9%
Palin: 8.1% +1.1%
Paul: 6.1% +3.4%

Huntsman: 6.0% -1.5%
Bachmann: 5.6% -0.6%
Pawlenty: 5.5% -1.5%

The thing that strikes me as odd here is that Palin and Paul are 3rd and 4th in the betting. Palin isn't even running although she is making an appearance this week in Iowa just to keep speculation going that maybe she might. Paul is running, but his views are way outside the Republican mainstream.

So essentially what the numbers are saying is that it's a two-man race between Romney and Perry.

Regarding the Ames Straw Poll, Ron Paul is now favored to win.
The betting is 56.8% Paul, 30% Bachmann and 12.1% Pawlenty. (Perry and Romney are not contesting it, although Romney is on the ballot). Pawlenty is putting a lot of chips on winning it. If he doesn't do well, it could force his campaign to "reassess." In the past, poor showings at the Ames Straw Poll have prompted candidates to drop out.
 
Ames Straw Poll results:
Bachmann: 4823
Paul: 4671
Pawlenty: 2293
Santorum: 1657
Cain: 1456
Perry (write in): 718
Romney: 567

That's not too good for T-Paw I'm afraid, getting less than half what Bachmann pulled.

Perry will probably be seen as the real winner though, as it's really a two-man race and these other candidates don't actually matter.
 
New contest!!! Predict the first to drop out. Don't go for the easy answer and say N. Gingrich. Stretch your imagination.

Damn, I actually thought it might be Pawlenty. Surprised that nobody got that one.

I actually thought he had a good chance at one point, because he didn't have as much of the "baggage" as other candidates but he never was able to get any momentum.
 

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