Post-revolution polls in Egypt

Watching coverage on CNN, not sure what's going on. Camera angles indicate the anti-Morsi crowd hugely outnumbers the pro. Hope never the twain shall meet; the military kept them far apart I hope.

It's a lose-lose. A democratically elected president of an important strategic Middle East country is pushed out by the military due to popular opinion, shortly after a revolution. On the other hand, might be good thing considering Morsi's dictatorial vision.

Anyway, doesn't matter, there was a murder in Florida.
 
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ANTPogo said:
The comments there are filled with stupid.
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Stupid...yes. But I've seen far worse from that crowd.

So: when thegreatsatan supports the elected Brotherhood party in Egypt, they are fascists. When thegreatsatan doesn't support the elected Brotherhood party in Gaza, they are fascists. And Ann Patterson is a dirty Bitch.
 
ANTPogo said:
The comments there are filled with stupid.
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Didn't read them. I can imagine how increasingly fast you scrolled through the pics themselves... ;)

Good piece: Why the Western Media are Getting Egypt Wrong

Khaled Shaalan said:
Western media coverage of the massive waves of protests in Egypt over the past two days is revealing of a number of problems that plague knowledge production about the Arab world.

As crowds across the country were just warming up for the historic protests, around midday on 30 June, reports from Cairo appearing on Western broadcast and online news outlets focused on projecting an image of “polarization.” Rallies opposing the Muslim Brotherhood were represented as being balanced out, and in some cases even outnumbered, by the demonstration in favor of President Mohamed Morsi. The likelihood of violent clashes were carefully embedded within the news as a main characteristic of the current political situation in Egypt. [...]
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See what was posted to this thread. And now:

[...] As the Egyptian army stepped up its game midday on Monday, and checkmated Morsi by issuing a forty-eight-hour ultimatum to respond to the people’s demands, these same media circuits started a concerted effort to bring the “coup d’état” discourse, sometimes forcefully, to the forefront of the discussion about events in Egypt. [...]
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I suggest we wait for the statement which might be coming soon as another meeting of all fractions was just announced to be over (and the house arrest and travel ban rumours to be false).
 
WildCat said:
If they get a do-over let's hope they learned their lesson and keep religion out of the Constitution.
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They did try- at least the moderates did. It seems they got played for suckers.

I do hope the moderates win the day. Egypt could then help the Middle East shrug off its Feudal and fundamentalist shackles.
 
gsmonks said:
They did try- at least the moderates did. It seems they got played for suckers.

I do hope the moderates win the day. Egypt could then help the Middle East shrug off its Feudal and fundamentalist shackles.
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In the next election, I'm rooting for whichever candidate hates Jews, women and homosexuals the least.
 
State-run media is reporting that the army has informed Morsi that he's no longer head of state of Egypt. Army chief al-Sisi is speaking on State TV right now, flanked by Coptic Pope Tawadros, the Sheikh of Al-Azhar, Mohamed El-Baradei, Tamarad or "rebel" movement leaders and the Salafist al-Nour Party leaders.
 
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2013/jul/03/egypt-countdown-army-deadline-live

8.09pm BST Sisi says the army attempted to have a national reconciliation that included the presidency. But that the army felt the people were calling for help. He insists the army does not seek to rule but to reset the national course.

Morsi is out. Sisi announces a transitional government and new presidential elections.

Sisi says the constitution has been suspended and a transition government will run the country with the support of the military until new elections can be held.

8.09pm BST The army warns against unrest in the streets. Sisi says anyone who commits violence will be confronted by the military.

8.10pm BST Sisi has finished speaking. Tahrir erupts in fireworks, cheers. Morsi is out.
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The chief justice of the constitutional court is Egypt's new (interirm) president.
 
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Yeah, I'd say overall it's a positive development. I have a feeling though that there's gonna be another Arab Spring there with many casualties, sadly. Hope I'm wrong.

The military has to be very careful about how they allow the transition to go forward, could end up being a HUGE nuther conflict in the region.
 
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cbc-21

Second to speak was the Al Azhar guy. Now the Coptic Pope. Sisi:

Our roadmap consists of: 1- Suspending the constitution.

2-Holding early presidential elections. The High Constitutional Court head will be in charge of the country until then.

3-Forming a national coalition government.

4-Forming a committee to look into amendments of the constitution.
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PitPat said:
The military has to be very careful about how they allow the transition to go forward, could end up being a HUGE nuther conflict in the region.
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Yeah, they've been very careful to say (and, so far at least, show) that while they're booting Morsi because its what Egyptians want and to keep the country from tearing itself apart, they're not going to be running things themselves in the wake of Morsi's departure.

We'll see, I guess.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Now El-Baradei's speaking. Presented as will of a broad coalition from all walks of society. Good.
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Yeah, getting the head of al-Azhar, the Coptic pope, El-Baradei, the leaders of Tamarad, and the leaders of the main Salafist party up there to back Morsi's removal by the army pretty much covers everyone.

Well, except for the Brotherhood themselves, of course.
 
There were a lot of green lights going around like laser pointers at the protest. When a helicopter came overhead they all swarmed on it. Anyone know what is up with that?
 
Tsukasa Buddha said:
There were a lot of green lights going around like laser pointers at the protest. When a helicopter came overhead they all swarmed on it. Anyone know what is up with that?
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Those are normal hand-held lasers, like you would use to play with your cat.
Pranksters sometimes use them to temporarily blind pilots of aircraft.

Are the protesters shining it on the cockpit?

You would think that the crowd would be happy that the army helped them get rid of Morsi. I would be highly surprised if they were targetting army pilots with those things.
 
Eddie Dane said:
You would think that the crowd would be happy that the army helped them get rid of Morsi. I would be highly surprised if they were targetting army pilots with those things.
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This helps explain what was going on. Basically, green laser pointers are kind of a protest thing over there, and they were shining them on the helicopter in jubilation, and most likely had no idea how dangerous that was for the pilots.

And apparently there are rumors floating around that the Brotherhood threw Morsi under the bus in return for being allowed to participate in the new transition process.

EDIT: Also reports of Brotherhood TV stations and newspapers being shut down and their employees arrested, so who knows?
 
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Once the people learn they can overthrow an authoritarian regime by taking to the streets, the old ways of running the country will no longer work. The only way to stay in power is to keep the people happy.

Morsi didn't understand that the rules had changed. The trick for Egypt will be finding a leader who does.
 
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