Post-revolution polls in Egypt

[Lowpro]

There is no "good" kind of Salafist. But al-Nour are the ones whose satellite TV station Al Nas was responsible for bringing the film "The Innocence of Muslims" to prominence and for whipping up the anger that led to the storming of the US embassy in Cairo on September 11, 2012 (and, indirectly, to the attacks in Benghazi, Libya and elsewhere that same day).

Yea I know =\ so new guard is like the old guard then?

 

[Puppycow]

Mostly because I already knew about Egyptian unhappiness with American support of Morsi.

When did Obama ever "support" Morsi outside the fevered imagination of Michele Bachmann et al?

 

[The Don]

Well, I'm sorry that some Egyptians aren't happy with the president the Egyptians themselves elected. It's not like we wanted them to vote for the Muslim brotherhood.

It sounds like they are saying the US foisted Morsi on Egypt or something.

I guess part of the problem is that almost half of the Egyptians didn't want Mursi in the first place so they were going to be unhappy in any case.

Mursi's failure to build a consensus and failure to address Egypt's economic issues (if anyone could) has caused a number of his previous supporters to reconsider their opinion.

Of course it's difficult to know whether there is a majority against him or just a sufficiently vocal minority (and of course the army).

 

[McHrozni]

Well, I'm sorry that some Egyptians aren't happy with the president the Egyptians themselves elected. It's not like we wanted them to vote for the Muslim brotherhood.

It sounds like they are saying the US foisted Morsi on Egypt or something.

Judging from those banners, this is precisely what happened. What did you expect anyway

This won't improve until they decide they're done blaming scapegoats for their own failures. This will take a couple of generations at least. There is little anyone can do to assist that.

McHrozni

 

[Border Reiver]

An Italian covered this centuries ago: It is better to be feared than loved.

Use the full quote or not at all: "If you cannot be both, it is better to be feared than loved."

 

[Childlike Empress]

When they work over the constitution they should build in direct democracy mechanisms to do what just happened legally, like for example Article 72 of the Venezuelan constitution which led to the (failed) 2004 referendum against Chavez.

Article 72: All magistrates and other offices filled by popular vote are subject to revocation.
Once half of the term of office to which an official has been elected has elapsed, a number of voters constituting at least 20% of the voters registered in the pertinent circumscription may extend a petition for the calling of a referendum to revoke such official’s mandate. When a number of voters equal to or greater than the number of those who elected the official vote in favor of revocation, provided that a number of voters equal to or greater than 25% of the total number of registered voters have voted in the revocation election, the official’s mandate shall be deemed revoked, and immediate action shall be taken to fill the permanent vacancy in accordance with the provided for in this Constitution and by law.
The revocation of the mandate for the collegiate bodies shall be performed in accordance with the law. During the term to which the official was elected, only one petition to recall may be filed.

 

[Mycroft]

When they work over the constitution they should build in direct democracy mechanisms to do what just happened legally, like for example Article 72 of the Venezuelan constitution which led to the (failed) 2004 referendum against Chavez.

The Egyptian military seems to have become the default check against anti-democratic factions taking over.

 

[A'isha]

Warrants issued for the arrest of the Brotherhood's leader and his deputy.

 

[Drysdale]

Morsi and the Moslem Brotherhood now know the rules have changed. They played by the democratic rules and look where that got them. They obeyed the US and kept the peace with Israel. When the Moslem Brotherhood comes back in power they will not feel obligated to follow any rules or cooperate with the US.

Good, then the people will know exactly who to hold accountable.

 

[Drysdale]

Well, I'm sorry that some Egyptians aren't happy with the president the Egyptians themselves elected. It's not like we wanted them to vote for the Muslim brotherhood.

It sounds like they are saying the US foisted Morsi on Egypt or something.

Wasn't there a question as to just how legitimate the election was?

 

[trustbutverify]

Had the USG not recognized, and had normal relations with, the Morsi regime, the "anti-imperialists" would have been screaming bloody murder about how those damn Murricans only accept the results of democratic elections when they approve of the outcome.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

 

[trustbutverify]

Meanwhile, Egyptian masculinity continues to cover itself in glory while treating those foreign (and domestic) bitches with the cruelty and disrespect they so richly deserve.

In 2011, American journalist Lara Logan was so severely beaten during her sexual assault she had to be sent to the hospital, an event that was just duplicated in severity last week with a Dutch journalist.

The rapings have become commonplace celebrations in the square, with men surrounding, stripping and attacking victims, facing no consequences after. Officials and police have blamed victims for these events.

 

[A'isha]

 

[McHrozni]

When they work over the constitution they should build in direct democracy mechanisms to do what just happened legally, like for example Article 72 of the Venezuelan constitution which led to the (failed) 2004 referendum against Chavez.

They seem to be using the Turkish variant, where military is tasked with maintaining the constitution. It was effectively used several times in the past there. Looking at the example you gave it seems to be more effective as well. Election is too easy to manipulate, especially in a country with weak institutions, and especially if it's against a government abusing it's power to 'win' elections, as was the case in Venezuela (and possibly Egypt and Turkey).

McHrozni

 

[Eddie Dane]

Meanwhile, Egyptian masculinity continues to cover itself in glory while treating those foreign (and domestic) bitches with the cruelty and disrespect they so richly deserve.

There is footage on Youtube of the assault on the Dutch lady, if you're in the mood to get whipped up into a blood-boiling rage.

Male protesters are now forming human chains around the female protesters to avoid more attacks. Sad that this is necessary.
Still there have been over 100 reported attacks in the last two weeks of protests.

In one article it was mentioned that the Dutch lady was an intern.

I'm not blaming the victim, and I don't know for which organisation she was working, but WTF were these people thinking when they sent a young attractive woman into the gang-rape mosh-pit?
Especially with well know incidents of reporters being attacked.

 

[Virus]

Had the USG not recognized, and had normal relations with, the Morsi regime, the "anti-imperialists" would have been screaming bloody murder about how those damn Murricans only accept the results of democratic elections when they approve of the outcome.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

They don't hate America because of its foreign policy, they hate its foreign policy because its American.

 

[dudalb]

Yea I know =\ so new guard is like the old guard then?

I think the expression you are looking for is "New Boss, Same As Old Boss".

ANd these events will deal still another blow to the Tourist Industry. And how goes the Tourist Industry, so goes the Egyptian Economy. It is hard to overstate how important all those Tourist Dollars are to the Egyptian Economy.

Classic Military Junta against Religious Fanantics. Crappy choice.

 

[A'isha]

Classic Military Junta against Religious Fanantics. Crappy choice.

Yes. Things might still be a lot worse now that the military has kicked Morsi out of power. But things definitely would be a whole lot worse if they hadn't.

 

[trustbutverify]

Brutality and more brutality.

CAIRO — Egyptians buried their dead and treated their wounded on Saturday while struggling to come to terms with widespread street violence that left more than 30 people dead and 1,400 injured the previous day.

I patiently await the Press TV crowd pontificating on how Egypt was better off under Mubarak.

 

[geni]

In one article it was mentioned that the Dutch lady was an intern.

I'm not blaming the victim, and I don't know for which organisation she was working, but WTF were these people thinking when they sent a young attractive woman into the gang-rape mosh-pit?
Especially with well know incidents of reporters being attacked.

22 year old intern is a lot cheaper than experienced journalist who as well as being paid more will tend to demand a decent (ie expensive) set of support services. A pretty face doesn't exactly harm ratings mind.