Post-revolution polls in Egypt

And it is another blow to the Tourist Industry, which is EXTREMELY important to the Egyptian economy.......
 
dudalb said:
And it is another blow to the Tourist Industry, which is EXTREMELY important to the Egyptian economy.......
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The shattered state of the Egyptian economy is really the thing that's driving most of the protests against Morsi's government.
 
ANTPogo said:
The shattered state of the Egyptian economy is really the thing that's driving most of the protests against Morsi's government.
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Clearly, the ravaged remains of Egyptian prosperity is boiling anti-Brotherhood sentiment. But I think fear of theocratic domination is real and palpable within these crowds.
 
Morsi is screwing up by not being inclusive enough, pushing the MB's agenda and reacting to the protests with repression.

But, I fail to see how he (or someone else) could manage Egypt out of this mess.

Although, If he was a president for (almost) all Egyptians, he might have gotten a more convincing mandate to flush Mubarak's boys out of the judiciary system and more stability would mean more tourism and loans.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Morsi is screwing up by not being inclusive enough, pushing the MB's agenda and reacting to the protests with repression.

But, I fail to see how he (or someone else) could manage Egypt out of this mess.

Although, If he was a president for (almost) all Egyptians, he might have gotten a more convincing mandate to flush Mubarak's boys out of the judiciary system and more stability would mean more tourism and loans.
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David Aaronovitch gives some sharp-eyed whimsical analysis on where Morsi went wrong. Essentially he is Egypt's Nick Clegg:

No, I think that when Mr Morsi says his remarks have been taken out of context, he means that, when he said all this stuff about blood, hatred and various animals, he said them in the context of being a loud-mouthed, rabble-rousing Islamist revolutionary, but they are now being repeated in the context of him being a president of Egypt who takes a lot of money from the United States and needs a continuing peace with the simians and porcines over the desert border.

In that sense, President Morsi is a bit like our own Nick Clegg. When Mr Clegg was in perpetual opposition but battling for every disgruntled vote that he could get - which included a student vote that had turned out for the Liberal Democrats in 2005 - he was adamant that tuition fees were the evil legacy of a cynical older generation to the bright-eyed youth of Britain. If you were in opposition and never likely to be in power, that's what you said and you swanned around sounding good.

Then a hung election later, there you are in power looking at real balance sheets and real dilemmas, and actually tuition fees don't look quite so evil after all.
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http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/columnists/101417/mr-morsi’s-nick-clegg-moment
 
trustbutverify said:
Clearly, the ravaged remains of Egyptian prosperity is boiling anti-Brotherhood sentiment. But I think fear of theocratic domination is real and palpable within these crowds.
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Oh, Egypt definitely has strong secularist elements among the population, and they've been really vocal about their fears of the Brotherhood's agenda. But the protests against Morsi wouldn't be nearly as strong if the state of the economy and the security situation weren't in such a shambles. There are a lot of Egyptians who aren't fervent Islamists but who nevertheless wouldn't mind an Islamist government if it meant a return to security and prosperity.

At any rate, it seems cracks are starting to appear. The head of the army warned that the government might collapse unless Morsi and the Opposition start coming together. The salafist Nour party is reaching out to El-Baradei's National Front. And in the face of nightly mass curfew-breaking in the three provinces under a State of Emergency, Morsi has given permission to their governors to limit or even cancel curfew hours.
 
Meanwhile, a key Morsi appointment, charged with selecting editors for Egyptian state run media, exposes the truth behind WW2 and the Holohoax:

"The myth of the Holocaust is an industry that America invented," said Fathi Shihab-Eddim, a senior figure close to Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi responsible for appointing the editors of all state-run newspapers.

"U.S. intelligence agencies in cooperation with their counterparts in allied nations during World War II created [the Holocaust] to destroy the image of their opponents in Germany, and to justify war and massive destruction against military and civilian facilities of the Axis powers, and especially to hit Hiroshima and Nagasaki with the atomic bomb," Shihab-Eddim said.

He said the 6 million Jews killed by the Nazis during World War II moved to the United States -- contradicting the accepted version of events.
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I do have to say, though, that "the US hoaxed the Holocaust of Europe's Jews because they wanted to nuke Japan" is a new one on me.
 
ANTPogo said:
I do have to say, though, that "the US hoaxed the Holocaust of Europe's Jews because they wanted to nuke Japan" is a new one on me.
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'Yeah we had to, like, nuke the Japs because the Germans were..eh...killing all the Jews and stuff. I mean, before they capitulated they were doing that.
And now, you know, because of that we had to nuke Japan'.

Harry Truman.
 
dudalb said:
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Having somebody like that in a position of power is not a comforting thought.
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Hey, just setting the editorial tone for the government controlled media.

And besides, he's anti-zionist not anti-semitic because... well just because.
 
dudalb said:
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Having somebody like that in a position of power is not a comforting thought.
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Par for the course. Egyptians would never elect people who didn't think like that.
 
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dudalb said:
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Having somebody like that in a position of power is not a comforting thought.
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Relax. I'm sure President Morsi is preparing to explain how Eddim's statements were taken out of context, and were only intended to address Zionist crimes in operation Cast Lead.
 
OTOH

Better to have him doing some "anti-zionist" political theatre than having him actually cancel peace agreements.

Egyptians have been fed so much crap about "zionists" that you'd almost forgive them for getting all war-like.

Dutch correspondent Joris Luyendijk (sp?) did a whole series of Arab street interviews and was actually accused of making this stuff up to discredit Arabs.

Some of the things he got told:
-After every war Israelis parade Arab women through the streets of Tel Aviv in cages.
-Some Jewish women are exempt from female circumcision. They are later groomed as seductive Mossad agents.

He got told these things earnestly, by people who actually worried about these issues.
 
Eddie Dane said:
Some of the things he got told:
-After every war Israelis parade Arab women through the streets of Tel Aviv in cages.
-Some Jewish women are exempt from female circumcision. They are later groomed as seductive Mossad agents.

He got told these things earnestly, by people who actually worried about these issues.
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I think this kind of stuff appears on David Icke/Prison Planet/Truther forums too.
 
So, this just happened...

After daytime protests on the "Friday of Deliverance", several thousand people threw rocks and molotov cocktails at the Presidential Palace, starting a fire on the grounds inside. Some even tried to storm the gates.

Security forces responded with ostensibly non-lethal measures, though a video of them beating one protester, stripping him, and then throwing him into a police van is going viral, and there are reports that one protester was shot and killed.
 
Eddie Dane said:
OTOH

Better to have him doing some "anti-zionist" political theatre than having him actually cancel peace agreements.

Egyptians have been fed so much crap about "zionists" that you'd almost forgive them for getting all war-like.

Dutch correspondent Joris Luyendijk (sp?) did a whole series of Arab street interviews and was actually accused of making this stuff up to discredit Arabs.

Some of the things he got told:
-After every war Israelis parade Arab women through the streets of Tel Aviv in cages.
-Some Jewish women are exempt from female circumcision. They are later groomed as seductive Mossad agents.

He got told these things earnestly, by people who actually worried about these issues.
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Well, during these days of horrific violence and political upheavel throughout the ME, it's reassuring to know all sides can still agree that Jews are the decendents of apes and pigs.
 
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