Post-revolution polls in Egypt

[DC]

Well, during these days of horrific violence and political upheavel throughout the ME, it's reassuring to know all sides can still agree that Jews are the decendents of apes and pigs.

well that is atleast 50% correct, thats double of what creationists get on this

 

[trustbutverify]

Actually, it's not even 50% correct, since human beings didn't decend from apes. Hominoids and the great apes both decend from a common ancestor.

 

[DC]

Actually, it's not even 50% correct, since human beings didn't decend from apes. Homonids and the great apes both decend from a common ancestor.

actually it is correct. this common ancestor was an ape and humans are still apes.

 

[trustbutverify]

actually it is correct. this common ancestor was an ape and humans are still apes.

Actually, it isn't. Although a semantic argument on the point continues, from a biological perspective, humans aren't apes and didn't decend from apes.

Humans are hominoids. Hominoidea is a taxonomic group. Phylogenetic systematics holds that taxonomic groups should be monophyletic — meaning that they include all the descendants of one ancestor, and don’t leave any descendants out. Humans are closely related to chimpanzees and bonobos, more distantly to gorillas, then orangutans, then gibbons. All these living creatures are crown hominoids. The Hominoidea includes all these, together with extinct animals like Australopithecus, Proconsul, Dryopithecus, and many others. Chimpanzees are apes. Gorillas are apes, as are bonobos, orangutans, and gibbons. We routinely differentiate the “great apes” from the “lesser apes”, where the latter are gibbons and siamangs. Humans are not apes. Humans are hominoids, and all hominoids are anthropoids. So are Old World monkeys like baboons and New World monkeys like marmosets. All of us anthropoids. But humans aren’t monkeys.

The author of this article disagrees with the writer of this passage. But my reading of the anthopological material is that the passage is correct.

 

[trustbutverify]

Here is the source article from Hawkes, which I think makes the anthropological distinction quite well.

We shouldn't smuggle taxonomic principles into everyday language to make a political argument. That's what "humans are apes" ultimately is -- it's an argument that we aren't as great as we think we are. Whether humans are special or not should be derived from biology; I don't think we need to make the argument by applying Orwellian coercion to the meanings of English words. Biologists control taxonomic terminology, and that's where science should aim. I don't think I'm being old-fashioned, nor am I promoting the idea that humans aren't part of the primate phylogeny. I'm only promoting the idea that we use taxonomy for its intended purpose, and not insist that English do the job instead.

We aren't apes. And it's OK to teach your children that chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. Because that's what I do.

 

[DC]

Actually, it isn't. Although a semantic argument on the point continues, from a biological perspective, humans aren't apes and didn't decend from apes.



The author of this article disagrees with the writer of this passage. But my reading of the anthopological material is that the passage is correct.

from your source :

And there’s nothing wrong with saying “humans are apes”, because, on the best construal of what those terms denote, they are.

http://australianmuseum.net.au/Humans-are-apes-Great-Apes

also here, we are great apes



enough OT

 

[trustbutverify]

from your source :



http://australianmuseum.net.au/Humans-are-apes-Great-Apes

also here, we are great apes



enough OT

My last OT "ape" post:

I concede the point to you. Since humans are classed in the family "Hominidae" (great apes), it should be allowable to refer to them as "apes". If it's proper usage to label humans 'great apes" it should be ok to label them "apes". You're right.

The point Hawkes makes, which i agree with, concerning the technical class-relation between the 4 non-monkey species with 48 chromosomes and the 1 with 46 isn't really relevant in this context.

 

[Puppycow]

Egyptian comic arrested for insulting president

CAIRO: Egypt's public prosecutor has ordered the arrest of popular satirist Bassem Youssef over alleged insults to Islam and to President Mohamed Mursi, in the latest clampdown on critical media.
Judicial sources said several complaints had been filed against Youssef, whose razor-sharp humour – delivered on his weekly television program Albernameg (The Show) – has spared few public figures.
He is accused of offending Islam through "making fun of the prayer ritual" on his show, and of insulting Dr Mursi by "making fun of his international standing", the sources said.

 

[WildCat]

Egyptian comic arrested for insulting president

I've been assured that laws against insults are perfectly okay. See the UK free speech and Putin thread.

So nothing to see here.

 

[A'isha]

I've been assured that laws against insults are perfectly okay. See the UK free speech and Putin thread.

So nothing to see here.

I don't know if anyone's told you yet, WildCat, but Egypt is not the UK.

I know it's a difficult concept for you to grasp, but I'm sure you can manage somehow.

 

[WildCat]

I don't know if anyone's told you yet, WildCat, but Egypt is not the UK.

I know it's a difficult concept for you to grasp, but I'm sure you can manage somehow.

Egypt says this is necessary to prevent civil unrest, just like the UK.

 

[L.Y.S.]

Actually, it isn't. Although a semantic argument on the point continues, from a biological perspective, humans aren't apes and didn't decend from apes.



The author of this article disagrees with the writer of this passage. But my reading of the anthopological material is that the passage is correct.

[Derail]

Humans are apes bro, get off your high horse. Humans and Chimps have a common ancestor, what is a chimp? And to quash this issue, humans are apart of the Hominidae family tree -- i.e. the Great Apes. Don't believe me look at any of your standard biological classification book. Humans are apes. No way around this.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/animal/table_humans.htm

Anyways all humans including Jews are apes so it isn't really something degrading to say to any human being, you ape.

case closed

[/Derail]

 

[trustbutverify]

[Derail]

Humans are apes bro, get off your high horse. Humans and Chimps have a common ancestor, what is a chimp? And to quash this issue, humans are apart of the Hominidae family tree -- i.e. the Great Apes. Don't believe me look at any of your standard biological classification book. Humans are apes. No way around this.

http://anthro.palomar.edu/animal/table_humans.htm

Anyways all humans including Jews are apes so it isn't really something degrading to say to any human being, you ape.

case closed

[/Derail]

Maybe you should read the entire thread before jumping on your high horse...Bro.

 

[L.Y.S.]

Maybe you should read the entire thread before jumping on your high horse...Bro.

I get that the comment that the individual who made the statement said. It was about the Muslim Brotherhood and their perception of Jews. That was understood. However, this individual decided to go on a side tangent about humans not being apes, which was irrelevant to the thread, but the fact remains that humans are apes. I suppose that this individual's intentions were to avoid the negative connotations that come with the word ape. Many, perceive this to be negative since it has a long history of degrading other human beings. I get that. But the fact remains that all human beings are apes.

But alas, this is the last I will comment on the ape issue.

 

[A'isha]

Egypt says this is necessary to prevent civil unrest, just like the UK.

No, Egypt is not saying that this is necessary to prevent civil unrest just like the UK, because no one in the UK is saying that. What Morsi is doing has connection with or resemblance to what the UK is doing, even by the most stretchingest stretch of the imagination. What Morsi is doing, in fact, is impossible for the UK to do right now, and will remain just as impossible under the Royal Charter that you so stupidly are trying to compare to current events in Egypt.

So if you won't give up this particular nonsense, at least take it to the other thread where it belongs - the forum members from the UK who post there could use a good laugh.

 

[trustbutverify]

I get that...

Not in any way, shape or form.

 

[trustbutverify]

I've been assured that laws against insults are perfectly okay. See the UK free speech and Putin thread.

So nothing to see here.

As bearish as I've been on the short term prospects for Egyptian civil rights, I never expected a move this blatantly repressive.

 

[WildCat]

No, Egypt is not saying that this is necessary to prevent civil unrest just like the UK, because no one in the UK is saying that. What Morsi is doing has connection with or resemblance to what the UK is doing, even by the most stretchingest stretch of the imagination. What Morsi is doing, in fact, is impossible for the UK to do right now, and will remain just as impossible under the Royal Charter that you so stupidly are trying to compare to current events in Egypt.

So if you won't give up this particular nonsense, at least take it to the other thread where it belongs - the forum members from the UK who post there could use a good laugh.

Surely inciting religious hatred is good enough reason to jail someone? Why is it OK in the UK but not in Egypt?

 

[A'isha]

Surely inciting religious hatred is good enough reason to jail someone? Why is it OK in the UK but not in Egypt?

I have no interest in entertaining your delusions in this thread, so take it to the other thread, the one specifically for whining about that.

No one in my immediate family has been able to get a hold of my cousins living in Alexandria since the current violence and chaos started and we have no idea if they're okay or even what their current situation is, so I personally don't give a single **** about your attempts to use what's happening in Egypt as part of your dick-waving nonsense about the UK vs. the US.

 

[marksman]

I'm seconding ANTPogo. Wildcat, if you want to use what's happening in Egypt to bitch about UK's free speech laws (or lack thereof) do it in a thread about UK's free speech laws (or lack thereof).