Post-revolution polls in Egypt

WildCat said:
It just gets worse and worse.

Morsi is starting to show his true colors.
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Which is why the protests (in cities across Egypt, not just Cairo) are reaching levels like those seen back in early 2011.

Egyptians do not want another Mubarak, Islamist or not.

EDIT: Ahram Online is providing live updates. Apparently Morsi's VP has announced a "conditional willingness" to postpone the referendum on the draft constitution that the salafists/Islamists rammed through, the expatriate vote on it has definitely been postponed, and there was a flurry of rumors about the city of Mahalla actually seceding and declaring independence from the Egyptian government.
 
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ANTPogo said:
Which is why the protests (in cities across Egypt, not just Cairo) are reaching levels like those seen back in early 2011.

Egyptians do not want another Mubarak, Islamist or not.
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The IB seems to think that in a democracy it's OK for 51% to trample on the rights of the 49%. They don't get it.
 
I am so reminded of the final scene in George Orwell's "Animal Farm" where the faces of Napoleon The Pig and The Farmer Blend so that they are indistingushable.
Anybody making book as to how long until Morsi finds a way to blame the Jews for the mess?
 
dudalb said:
I am so reminded of the final scene in George Orwell's "Animal Farm" where the faces of Napoleon The Pig and The Farmer Blend so that they are indistingushable.
Anybody making book as to how long until Morsi finds a way to blame the Jews for the mess?
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I read a Reuters article today on the ongoing demonstrations, and it was depressing how many of the commentators asserted that the demonstrators were paid agents of Israel. I'm sure it's just a matter of time before Morsi jumps on the bandwagon.
 
MB accused of hiring thugs to rape and beat anti-Morsi protestors.

The sexual assaults take place at around the same time of day, and usually occur on the corner of Tahrir Square and Mohammed Mahmoud Street. It is being reported widely that Egypt’s ruling party is paying gangs of thugs to beat up men who are protesting against Mohamed Morsi and his latest decree giving himself sweeping new powers, and also to sexually assault women involved in the protests
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President Morsi is turning out to be quite the man of the people.
 
Dare I offer up a cliche?

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
...
except he's just a little bit different, if the light hits him just so. :p

Looks like Egypt may take a little while to sort this out. Maybe a little chaos is good in the short term.

What's the army up to, I wonder?
 
Darth Rotor said:
What's the army up to, I wonder?
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They're all in favor of the salafist/Islamist draft constitution that is up for referendum, since it pretty much gives them everything they want - domination of (secret) budget approval panels, control of the appointment of the Defense Minister, no restrictions on their webwork of business interests, etc. They also really, really hated their time in sole control of the country during the post-Mubarak period when SCAF ran things.

As a result, they aren't ideologically allied with Morsi and his bunch, but they see a whole lot more benefit in supporting him then they see in supporting the protesters. At least for now.
 
Gee, sounds like the sort of lash up the Rev Guard and Ayatollahs had in Iran.

Blech.
 
Darth Rotor said:
Gee, sounds like the sort of lash up the Rev Guard and Ayatollahs had in Iran.
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Well, it's heading more in the direction of Pakistan, where the army is kind of a semi-autonomous state-within-a-state. The Pasdaran in Iran were a revolutionary army intended to be separate from the Shah's military, which was seen as loyal to the old regime and which underwent some pretty heavy purges after the revolution. Morsi doesn't appear to be doing either of that (though his Brotherhood thugs could fairly easily be transformed into something similar to Iran's Basij).
 
Darth Rotor said:
Dare I offer up a cliche?

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
...
except he's just a little bit different, if the light hits him just so. :p

Looks like Egypt may take a little while to sort this out. Maybe a little chaos is good in the short term.

What's the army up to, I wonder?
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What's the difference between Egypt and a banana republic? The bananas.

Sadly, that's not a joke. Food is a serious and generally underappreciated problem in Egypt right now. This isn't simply a matter of political turmoil, Egypt is facing economic collapse as well. And since it needs to import around half the food it consumes (no bananas), economic collapse isn't just a matter of more squalor, it's a matter of possible mass starvation.
 
That's right, Ziggurat, and it gets cash from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the US and the IMF, amount maybe in this order. I wouldn't want Mursi's job, you hardly CAN'T make a mess out of it.
 
Which is another reason people are protesting against Morsi. They see him doing nothing whatsoever to fix the security and economic issues (which, since Egypt relies heavily on tourism, are interconnected issues) while making dictatorial power grabs and forcing through a constitution that panders to theocrats and the military and pretty much completely ignores the economy.
 
Childlike Empress said:
That's right, Ziggurat, and it gets cash from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the US and the IMF, amount maybe in this order. I wouldn't want Mursi's job, you hardly CAN'T make a mess out of it.
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Certainly not if you're in bed with people like the Muslim Brotherhood. It's almost like their goal is to drive the country over a cliff.
 
Egypt Votes on Constitution

(AP) – Egyptians were voting today on a proposed constitution that has polarized their nation, with President Mohammed Morsi and his Islamist supporters backing the charter, while liberals, many secular Muslims, and Christians oppose it. With the nation divided by a political crisis defined by mass protests and deadly violence, the vote has turned into a dispute over whether Egypt should move toward a religious state under Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood and a radical Salafi bloc, or one that retains secular traditions and an Islamic character. About half the nation votes today and half next week.
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WildCat said:
The IB seems to think that in a democracy it's OK for 51% to trample on the rights of the 49%. They don't get it.
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I think you are confusing liberal democracy with democracy. Look the reality is by messing with democracy at all the IB have burned a lot of potential support from the more radical islamic elements. Liberal democracy would probably drop them bellow 50% support.
 
No way should a Constitution be ratified with a simple majority vote, and Egypt is showing why.
 
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