Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[R.Mackey]

Hi, I'm R.Mackey.

You know you're winning the debate when your opponent reverts to mimicry at a Kindergarten level.

Killtown, please read back the definition of "Irony," would you?

I think plane crashes that create huge explosions like this:

Imbecile, that is the wrong aircraft, at the wrong speed, wrong crash angle, four times the fuel load, and besides, you doctored the photo by rotating it. I seem to recall telling you this over 20 pages ago.

[Unscaled and unmeasured fiery crash picture deleted]

Funny, I thought you argued for pages and pages, and on your website, that there was no "huge explosion." I thought your whole case, and the basis for your criminal harrassment of Val, was that the explosion had to be too small to match her picture.

can do it without charring the immediate area outside its crater like this: [Impact area photo, taken from unknown aspect and distance, deleted]

Rather amusing from a scientific illiterate who can't distinguish between "temperature" and "heat." You might want to turn in your FAA Incident Inspector's badge, tough guy.

Killtown, if that's the best you've got, I pity you.

 

[Killtown]

Sorry killtown, doesn't change the fact that there is alot of green grass around that accident.

Bet you wished you hadn't posted that pic.

K, since you don't understand it, let me walk you through it.

You guys said 93's fireball was 4-15x wider than the crater.

Crash scene photos show no fire damage immediately outside the crater. Only a small section of forest at an awkward angle got singed.

The crash scene photos show that the fireball didn't exceed the crater, but somehow part of the fireball jump out of the crater, over some grass and a road, and landed in some trees at an awkward angle.

I.E. totally inconsistent with a fireball of the size you guys suggested.

 

[ghost707]

Sorry killtown, doesn't change the fact that there is alot of green grass around that accident.

Bet you wished you hadn't posted that pic.

 

[Killtown]

Sorry killtown, doesn't change the fact that there is alot of green grass around that accident.

And your point?

 

[ghost707]

And your point?

You defeated yourself.

You lose.

I mean just look at all that green grass!

 

[Killtown]

You defeated yourself.

You lose.

I mean just look at all that green grass!

You mean the green grass that wasn't engulfed by the fireball like all the grass around the Shanksville crater?

 

[ghost707]

You mean the green grass that wasn't engulfed by the fireball like all the grass around the Shanksville crater?

Just look at all that green grass killtown, isn't it beautiful!

The truth shall set you free!

 

[Killtown]

Just look at all that green grass killtown, isn't it beautiful!

The truth shall set you free!

Yes, just like the beautiful hemlock around the Shanks crater that didn't get engulfed by a fireball!

 

[R.Mackey]

Glad you two agree.

The ghost has you, Killtown. Your own image demonstrates that aircraft crashes and fires do not always destroy foliage very far from the point of impact. Hang it up.

 

[Killtown]

Glad you two agree.

The ghost has you, Killtown. Your own image demonstrates that aircraft crashes and fires do not always destroy foliage very far from the point of impact. Hang it up.

Are you that dense? Where did I say fireballs from plane crashes would scorch grass that it didn't engulf???

 

[R.Mackey]

In other words, you're claiming that the fireball, on impact, of the photo that ghost707 is referring to, was smaller than the fire shown in the image. Much smaller than the plane itself. The fuel would have to pour out beyond this initial event, flowing past the initial scorch boundaries, and only then ignite, since the grass clearly runs right up to the smoky fire.

ETA: In summary, hardly a relevant plane crash. Not to mention unlikely.

Having nothing more than a single, unannotated still photo, I would be utterly fascinated to see the mental gymnastics you performed to decide that.

 

[Gravy]

Real plane crashes:
Fake ones:
And fake plume:
Learn the truth:
And be sure to...

Killtown, you're on this AGAIN?

What part of 580 mph at a 40 degree angle don't you understand?

Oh, I forgot. You don't understand any part of that.

Why do you keep showing a photo of the area near the wingtip, and not all the other photos that show scorch marks and debris in the direction of travel?

Your methods are, once again, dishonest.

 

[Cuddles]

Where can I find that popcorn smily? It seems somehow appropriate at this point.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

KT,

Since you appear to have chosen not to address any of my counter-points, I will take that as implicit retraction of you claims.

That being the case, you are not back to stating opinions based upon photos. Please provide supporting evidence that these opinions are representative of the facts.

 

[Belz...]

"appear" much closer. I PROVED the distance of it and that the plume HAD to be about 670m/2200ft across.

It's funny how you use that word.

 

[Belz...]

2) Taking a photo out of context is lying.

No, it's not.

2) Even a small fireball would have singed the grass growing along the crater's edge.

Hey! I can make up stuff, too...

So either the fuel went underground, it was magic fuel, or there was NO JETFUEL THERE EVER!

...not as much as you, however.

Why would the conspirators speak out?

Because REAL conspirators frequently do.

Did it ever occur to you that the powers that be wanted to out Clinton with that to humiliate him, so he would "get in line"? Why do you think he's best buds with Bush Sr (Mr. Ex-CIA director) these days?

Woah. Where did THAT come from ?

 

[Belz...]

One last comment: I wonder how someone who spends so much time on a computer and evidently relating life to video games and television shows ever gets out in the real world to experience real life? It is just an observation.

Oh, yes. I relate life to video games and movies but I'm very much aware of the real world, and far TOO much aware of Killclown's world.

 

[Belz...]

As soon as someone can tell me how your plane did this to form your monsterous plume:

[qimg]http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5615/b52collagepx2.jpg[/qimg]

And yet didn't burn the grass growing up against the crater:

Similar crashes, really ?

Hi, I'm R.Mackey. I think plane crashes that create huge explosions like this:

can do it without charring the immediate area outside its crater like this:

Interesting. And yet you're the only one here who thinks the B-52 crash bears any similarity (besides actually crashing) with U93.

 

[Belz...]

You guys said 93's fireball was 4-15x wider than the crater.

I.E. totally inconsistent with a fireball of the size you guys suggested.

You didn't read the part about the a-bomb, did you ?

Are you that dense? Where did I say fireballs from plane crashes would scorch grass that it didn't engulf???

Well, that's the whole point. It DIDN'T engulf the grass. You DO know how fireballs behave, don't you ?

 

[Hutch]

Well, that's the whole point. It DIDN'T engulf the grass. You DO know how fireballs behave, don't you ?

DING! DING! DING! DING! We have a winner,folks. KluelessTown has no math and no physics and has no idea how fluids react when they hit the ground at 550MPH+ in a disintegrating tank assembly. I at least know enough to say I do not have the higher-level physics to determine the exact pattern, but I have enough brains to know that when you drive fluids into the ground at high speeds, much of it will splatter into the air, at a vector away from the ground, and the ignition/heat will also be driven upwards by the vector and intake of Oxygen. And this was a complex reaction.

But not to ol'KT, nosiree. He's got pictures! Hes got opinions! He's got "I don't thing so"! I mean, what are Math and Physics next to those formidable tools?

Incredible. KT, you might as well start a thread on your 'No-planes at the WTC' therory, you cannot possibly reclaim the slightest shread of plausability on this topic.

Ignorance is often seen on the surface; but stupidity goes right to the Frontal Lobes...