Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[Pardalis]

Killtown has this posted on the flight 93 photos/maps/graphics page of his website. If this had been posted on page 1 of this thread, we would have known just what we were up against.

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Killtown, you have been an insult to every person of every field of expertise since you started to post.

Now you have insulted illustrators.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Well, I guess the admins would have to dig into his application to find that out, I haven't seen one post going killtowns way since I came on board around page 11 or something like that. I'd imagine those 8, if they stuck around for what happened later, kicked themselves they couldn't change their vote and left.

This guy is a bottomless pit of ignorance and I don't think the light of day will ever see a retraction by him. That cartoon? Did you see that? Amazing. Anyone who would believe a plane crash should have the tail sticking out of the ground like a Lawn Dart is never going to accept that photographic evidence that Grass or Snow don't always burn up in the wreckage or any other point anyone on here makes.

I'm not sure this thread any longer has a reason to be except to slap around our resident monkey.

I'm not sure. It seems to be a trend on the JREF forums, as least, that the CTists don't support each other in their respective threads. Geggy doesn't post in Christophera's thread and vice versa. CE does post in others' threads, but they don't post in hers.

 

[Belz...]

Great analogy, Huntsman.

Btw, I don't think Killtown drew that picture. It may have been that idiot "Spooky." But he's got it on his website amongst actual evidence.

Maybe I could draw a sketch showing smaller pieces spreading around in the direction of the plane's trajectory. Maybe that'll help him out.

ETA: And I also notice Killtown thinks planes are either made of cardboard or adamantium.

 

[Pardalis]

I'm not sure. It seems to be a trend on the JREF forums, as least, that the CTists don't support each other in their respective threads. Geggy doesn't post in Christophera's thread and vice versa. CE does post in others' threads, but they don't post in hers.

I get the feeling Childlike Empress is not a complete CTist, I don't think she even has a theory. She doesn't want the official story to be true, for some reason.

 

[Yoink]

O.K., it's clearly time to quit this thread for good. If KT is going to just keep sticking his fingers in his ears and going "la la la la la la la I can't heaaaaar you" in the face of stunningly detailed work like Arkan_Wolfshade's there's simply no hope. He's going to continue with his shameful lies no matter what.

One question, though, for Killtown before I go: you've clearly faced some extremely carefully thought-out objections to your argument on this thread. You appear to think that you have vanquished them with your argument. Don't you think you should provide a prominent link to this thread on your website, then? You know--if you really believe that you have disproven our arguments, wouldn't you like people who visit your blog to see that even powerful skeptical minds like those at the JREF site are incapable (in your view) of knocking holes in your theory?

If you don't put up such a link, of course, it will be proof that you are A) aware in your heart of hearts that your theory got demolished over and over and over again and B) that you are a cowardly little weasel.

Bye bye, Killtown. Remember, one day you will hang your head in shame at your behaviour throughout this whole affair. For you sake, I hope that day comes sooner rather than later.

 

[TxLady]

I've followed this thread since it started and I would just like you commend you all (except Killtown) on you knowledge, logic, and your patience. Frankly I'm sickened by Killtown's beliefs. I'm just so tired of all of these 9/11 conspiracy theories. I have several family members who believe them. They remind me of my son in first grade, doing math "my way". It took forever to make him understand that his way was the wrong way.

 

[Belz...]

I've followed this thread since it started and I would just like you commend you all (except Killtown) on you knowledge, logic, and your patience. Frankly I'm sickened by Killtown's beliefs. I'm just so tired of all of these 9/11 conspiracy theories. I have several family members who believe them. They remind me of my son in first grade, doing math "my way". It took forever to make him understand that his way was the wrong way.

But that was all for naught once his brain snapped and he reverted to his LAPI mode.

ETA: I mean, Killtown. Skipped a part, there!

Lady, eh ? Welcome, then!

 

[Graham2001]

Sorry to be somewhat sarcastic, but am I right in guessing, that there is no evidence that the Killtown on this thread was replaced by a Government Agent to discredit the 'Truth' movement by proposing nonsense.

But then, Govenment Agents only operate on 'Truth' movement boards, don't they....

 

[Buckwheatjones]

I've followed this thread since it started and I would just like you commend you all (except Killtown) on you knowledge, logic, and your patience. Frankly I'm sickened by Killtown's beliefs. I'm just so tired of all of these 9/11 conspiracy theories. I have several family members who believe them. They remind me of my son in first grade, doing math "my way". It took forever to make him understand that his way was the wrong way.

Thanks very much for the thoughtful post. I think one element I, (and maybe for some of the others) am here is to eradicate any doubt about this. It's not nearly so important to get killtown to face up to the truth as it is to appeal to other readers on here that he's wrong and the conspiracy theory re: Flt 93 is not particularly credible. In fact the more outrageous his claims get, the more he makes the point for us. It's good to know that some people reading on here, such as yourself, can pick up on this and easily separate the wheat from the chaff.

Thanks again.

Buck

 

[Cuddles]

Maybe I could draw a sketch showing smaller pieces spreading around in the direction of the plane's trajectory. Maybe that'll help him out.

ETA: And I also notice Killtown thinks planes are either made of cardboard or adamantium.

I'd assume cardboard. Otherwise they'd be too heavy to stay in the air. And no, boats aren't made of metal either.

 

[realitybites]

Sorry to be somewhat sarcastic, but am I right in guessing, that there is no evidence that the Killtown on this thread was replaced by a Government Agent to discredit the 'Truth' movement by proposing nonsense.

But then, Govenment Agents only operate on 'Truth' movement boards, don't they....

Oh for eff's sake. FINE! Yes, I offed Killtown and replaced him.... Well okay, "off" is a bit harsh. I just abducted him, tied him up in the basement and haven't fed him in two and a half months. So... he's probably at least a little light-headed by now.

Damn, you guys are good. Forced me to Valerie Plame myself.

Kudos!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Thanks all for the kind words, but all I've been doing is building upon what others have already done the legwork on. I'm just greatful that we have the minds that we do here at JREF so I can learn something.

 

[TxLady]

Thank you for the nice welcome. Buck, I really appreciate what you're trying to do. I wish I could get some of my family to read this thread but at this point, I know they wouldn't even if I asked them to. They want to believe in these things for some reason. I research as much as I can so that if the subject comes up, I might get a few words in. But recently, I don't get to talk at all, they start shouting immediately. I see the same behavior by CT'ist on the internet.

 

[realitybites]

Thank you for the nice welcome. Buck, I really appreciate what you're trying to do. I wish I could get some of my family to read this thread but at this point, I know they wouldn't even if I asked them to. They want to believe in these things for some reason. I research as much as I can so that if the subject comes up, I might get a few words in. But recently, I don't get to talk at all, they start shouting immediately. I see the same behavior by CT'ist on the internet.

TxLady, if you want shouting, next time you're in NYC, make a little pilgrimage to the WTC site some Saturday afternoon. And bring a video camera.

 

[Dog Town]

This has never been an experiment! Well, not on KC's part! It seems to me that it all boils down to KC's nonsense that he has directed towards Val. I won't lie. The first time I saw that pic, I thought it could have been fake, for severeal reasons! The diff is, I knew that I didn't know all the variables involved. KC has been shown upclose he knows even less. His belief is all he has, no facts. None of us will ever know if that pic is real for sure w/out being able to investigate the original,or a high res copy! But by doing real reseach and math you can atleast show that it is possible , if not likely. K Clown it is time to be a man! APOLOGISE TO VAL!!!!!!

DT

Welcome TxLady!

 

[Buckwheatjones]

Thank you for the nice welcome. Buck, I really appreciate what you're trying to do. I wish I could get some of my family to read this thread but at this point, I know they wouldn't even if I asked them to. They want to believe in these things for some reason. I research as much as I can so that if the subject comes up, I might get a few words in. But recently, I don't get to talk at all, they start shouting immediately. I see the same behavior by CT'ist on the internet.

You might want to bookmark some of the work ARkan did on the previous page, I think it was. Guys like him, Dr. Richard, Gumboot, Gravy, Yoink (and the list goes on and on) have really done a lot of the heavy lifting here.

 

[Dog Town]

TxLady

I don't get to talk at all, they start shouting immediately. I see the same behavior by CT'ist on the internet.

IT'S CALLED ALL CAPS! WHEN YOU SEE THIS, YOU KNOW THEY ARE SHOUTING AT THEIR COMPUTER SCREEN! Annoying, but funny!

DT

 

[TxLady]

Realitybites, I'm positive you're right about that. I'd actually love to do that sometime, I've never been to NYC. But I've seen the pictures of Gravy and Abby there and what they had to deal with.
Dog Town, I agree. I never saw this as a serious experiment. It's reminded me throughout of my now 18 yo son trying to convince me of something. He loves to debate, but the end result he wants is for me to agree with him. If I don't, something is wrong with my reasoning. He's never wrong. lol
Killtown, please apologise to Val!

 

[jhunter1163]

TxLady:

If you haven't looked at Gravy's "Loose Change Viewer's Guide", you should do so, and have any members of your family who aren't too far gone look at it too. It's a comprehensive, point-by-point destruction of every theory presented in the movie. It's long but well worth the read.

(edit) The link is in Gravy's sig.

 

[realitybites]

Realitybites, I'm positive you're right about that. I'd actually love to do that sometime, I've never been to NYC. But I've seen the pictures of Gravy and Abby there and what they had to deal with.
Dog Town, I agree. I never saw this as a serious experiment. It's reminded me throughout of my now 18 yo son trying to convince me of something. He loves to debate, but the end result he wants is for me to agree with him. If I don't, something is wrong with my reasoning. He's never wrong. lol
Killtown, please apologise to Val!

I think Gravy posted an image of me with them there that same day. I foolishly approved said image before viewing it.

If you come across it, I'm the one with a ridiculously retarded look on his face.