Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Ok...Put on your CT hat (it's the one made of tinfoil, over there in the corner)...go ahead now and put it on.

Now...Go to the link regarding the ignition temp of dry grass....

Tell me what in that link proves the story is a disinfo plant by the perps.

Thanks, our next lesson will be on chemtrails.

Erm, the EFMLS is the Eastern Federation of Mineralogical and Lapidary Societies, and they wanted the gold under WTC?

 

[DavidJames]

Erm, the EFMLS is the Eastern Federation of Mineralogical and Lapidary Societies, and they wanted the gold under WTC?

whoa there partner, that's way over my tinfoil capped head. You're making things way more complicated then they need be

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

whoa there partner, that's way over my tinfoil capped head. You're making things way more complicated then they need be

Amateur.

 

[DavidJames]

Amateur.

Hey! There weren't any pictures, gimmee a break

 

[Gravy]

I think it might be approaching time for someone to post that photo of Edna Cintron to show that a huge fireball can happen and yet not burn everything right next to it.

I have it handy, but I'm not giving Killtown another chance to mock a victim. Forty victims in Shanksville is plenty for him to giggle over.

 

[LashL]

The patience and level headedness displayed by some of the members here (Arkan, Huntsman, Gravy, etc.) in dealing with this guy has GOT to be supernatural on some level.

Any chance that would qualify me for the million bucks?

Yes, it's amazing, really. 60 pages of KT nonsense and zero KT facts or evidence, and still, such patience and rational posts from so many fine skeptics here.

Kudos to those of you who exhibit such fortitude.

 

[Gravy]

Yes, there should be a massive burn mark in the same path as the trajectory, which there is not...

There IS a burn mark in the direction of the trajectory (from right to left in the photo. The left side at ground level is charred and the right isn't.)

But you haven't paid any attention to the past 58 pages if you claim there has to be a "massive" burn mark there.

Can you think of some variables that would affect such a burn mark? Hint: they're printed in a few hundred posts in this thread.

 

[ghost707]

I think killtown should take his "evidence" to the NTSB.

Oops, sorry, I forgot the NTSB is in on the conspiracy.

Never mind.

 

[Gravy]

Killtown: "Yes, there should be a massive burn mark in the same path as the trajectory, which there is not..."

For Killtown, because he likes visuals.

Wrong again, Killtown.​

 

[Yoink]

For Killtown, because he likes visuals.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/879044ecf837e692b.jpg

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/879044cee5fd5ffdd.jpg​

Yes, interesting to note that this tends to confirm the idea of a fireball that rose rapidly and did little burning at ground level (perhaps because of the underdraft theory I've suggested--perhaps for some other reason). The higher things (trees) are badly burned in the area where the fireball would have "blossomed" (so to speak), the ground in the corresponding area opposite that burned semi-circle of trees doesn't seem necessarily heavily burned (though it is hard to tell from this photo).

In any case, this photo dispels any remaining mystery as to the unburned grass stems in KT's photo--it's clear the fireball developed ahead of the crash site. One more nail in the coffin of KT's long-dead argument.

 

[DavidJames]

Ok...Put on your CT hat (it's the one made of tinfoil, over there in the corner)...go ahead now and put it on.

Now...Go to the link regarding the ignition temp of dry grass....

Tell me what in that link proves the story is a disinfo plant by the perps.

Thanks, our next lesson will be on chemtrails.

Man, you guys were punk'd, pwnd, owned, and neener neener'd.

First, the entry on dry grass was submitted in Oct 2001. Posted within a month of 9/11, clearly posted as a quick cover in case a brave troother like KT would ever break this op wide open.

More subtle, yet just as damning is the author, one Bill Klose. Do you think for a minute the fact that his name is so close to JREF "critical thinker" Bob Klase, is a just a coincidence, you suckers.

 

[Beleth]

More subtle, yet just as damning is the author, one Bill Klose. Do you think for a minute the fact that his name is so close to JREF "critical thinker" Bob Klase, is a just a coincidence, you suckers.

By that logic, you are both King of Israel and one of Jesus' disciples.

And must be, what, 3000 years old or so.

 

[Gravy]

I had the photographer facing in the wrong direction in the cabin photo above. The correct position is below, looking towards the lake.

Garage

 

[DavidJames]

By that logic, you are both King of Israel and one of Jesus' disciples.

And must be, what, 3000 years old or so.

Getting out of bed in the morning, I feel that old.

 

[Killtown]

Nice burn marks the grass outside the crash. Wait?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Nice burn marks the grass outside the crash. Wait?

Stop being intentionally obtuse. No matter which side of the fence someone falls on this issue, it should be a serious matter. Regardless of your conclusions on th evidence, the fact that you are making light of this on a consistant basis speaks volumes.

 

[rwguinn]

Stop being intentionally obtuse. No matter which side of the fence someone falls on this issue, it should be a serious matter. Regardless of your conclusions on th evidence, the fact that you are making light of this on a consistant basis speaks volumes.

What more do you expect from someone who pulls the wings off butterflies?

 

[Killtown]

Evidence is clear, Val's plume too big to have originated from crash spot:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-mcclatchey-photo-more-smoking-guns.html

The plume in my analysis is VERY GENEROUS in size (about 2 football lengths wide) and as seen from the crater photos, NO LARGE jet fuel explosion happened at the crater or all the grass around the rim would have been singed:

Here is what the fireball from 93 crash would have looked like:

Wake up.

 

[DavidJames]

Evidence is clear, Val's plume too big to have originated from crash spot

Here is what the fireball from 93 crash would have looked like:


Wake up.

You have no evidence, you've done no analysis, you only look at pictures and guess.

Please comment on the ignition points listed earlier.
Please comment on the pictures Gravy posted earlier.

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Evidence is clear, Val's plume too big to have originated from crash spot:

http://killtown.blogspot.com/2006/07/val-mcclatchey-photo-more-smoking-guns.html

The plume in my analysis is VERY GENEROUS in size (about 2 football lengths wide) and as seen from the crater photos, NO LARGE jet fuel explosion happened at the crater or all the grass around the rim would have been singed:



Here is what the fireball from 93 crash would have looked like:


Wake up.

I really can't think of a better way of saying this; your evidence, argument, and presentation suck.

Go do some reading and come back when you can make an argument using rational logic, and scientific methodology.

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