Plume in Flight 93 photo is different

[Rob Lister]

Great post Yoink

 

[rwguinn]

I think we are going to have to wait until the following people concur on the plume size estimates after Gravy found the new fuel total since they did a lost of the calculations of your guy's estimates for this experiment:

Buckwheatjones
gumboot
Hutch
R.Mackey

Don't hold your breath...er...on second thought,
Do hold your breath until they agree...

Ok, guys--I made a dee-de-dee error previously--multiplied vs divided... It be fixed up there. You guys are just too fast...

 

[Matthew Best]

Maybe they've all got Killtown on ignore?

Nobody would blame them, surely?

 

[Dog Town]

Ok, guys--I made a dee-de-dee error previously--multiplied vs divided... It be fixed up there. You guys are just too fast...

See KC, this is what a man of honor does, when he booboo's!
Still waiting, not really. I am dying to see your last card however!
You best have pocket Aces,.....I doubt it!

 

[Hutch]

Hey, Killtown, can you confirm what another poster over on the LC IV thread just added..that you have been BANNED from the Loose Change Forum??

NO wonder you have so much time to come over an play with us...

But would you please confiurm your dis-barment?

Hey, just asking questions...


Edited to add link to post in question: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1867650&postcount=2689

 

[Yoink]

Hey, Hutch, according to the post you link to, K-Town was suspected of being a "government agent." You don't suppose someone read my "Killtown=Kurzburg" post and was convinced by it, do you?

ETA: After all...I did use forensics.

 

[Hutch]

Ya never know, Yoink those 8 no votes in the poll came from somewhere...

Truthfully, KT was never the most popular guy over at LC, due to his insistance (along with another banned poster, izzy, who was even crazier than Killtown) that the WTC's had never been hit by planes, much less the Pentagon and Flight 93...I think sometimes heresy is considered the greater crime over there than any "OCT'er" post. So I am not surprised they cleaned him out.

Of course, that means he has more time to come over here--but with any luck he'll suicide by mod in short order.

Maybe he can go over to the BAUT, I'm sure the eggheads there would LOVE to play with him *ducks rocks thrown by Obviousman, Wolverine and other BAUT Forum members*

 

[Killtown]

Hey, Killtown, can you confirm what another poster over on the LC IV thread just added..that you have been BANNED from the Loose Change Forum??

NO wonder you have so much time to come over an play with us...

But would you please confiurm your dis-barment?

Hey, just asking questions...


Edited to add link to post in question: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1867650&postcount=2689

Yep, they canned me. The admins over there are podders apparantely. I'm a threat to their cash-cow pod theory.

 

[Killtown]

So I'm still waiting for the following members to concur on the new totals:

Buckwheatjones
gumboot
Hutch
R.Mackey

and apathoid


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Known constants:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Wingspan: 38m(125ft)
Fuel upon impact: 5,482 gals
Impact Speed: 580mph

-------------------------------

Variables:

Fuel % burned upon impact: 30-70%
Fireball temp: 240C(464F) - 1,316C(2,400F)
Peak fireball width: >>> 50m - 860m <<< old estimates
Windspeed: 9kt W - 25kt NW
Plume size: 600m - 700m
Elapsed time from crash to photo: 5.3 - 90 sec

-------------------------------

Size perspective:

Football field (no endzone) = 100yds

100yds = 300ft = 91.44m

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[Brainache]

Yep, they canned me. The admins over there are podders apparantely. I'm a threat to their cash-cow pod theory.

I know this is a bit off topic, but while we wait for those guys' input can you tell me what the pod theory is?

 

[gumboot]

I know this is a bit off topic, but while we wait for those guys' input can you tell me what the pod theory is?

The pod theory is as follows:

In some pictures/video of UA175 hitting the South Tower the direction of the sun and the low resolution resulted in the undercarriage housing at the wing roots of the aircraft to be exaggerated.

CTers determined that this was some sort of "pod", meaning it wasn't a commercial airliner, but a military aircraft. This is usually accompanied by a supposed "flash" as the aircraft hits the building - the theory being that the pod fired some sort of missile into the building a moment before the aircraft hit.

Some early videos such as 911 In Plane Site and the original Loose Change included this theory. Despite having claimed the pod was their strongest evidence in LC1, it was dropped from LC2.

Many CTers now consider pod theories to be disinformation put out by the government to discredit the serious CTers.

This sort of thing is typical of their movement. The "truth" movement is dividing into factions faster than the Christian Church.

-Andrew

 

[Killtown]

I know this is a bit off topic, but while we wait for those guys' input can you tell me what the pod theory is?

See here.



.

 

[Killtown]

Andrew,

Fuel upon impact: 5,482 gals

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Andrew,

Fuel upon impact: 5,482 gals

Gooooood. Next try using it in an equation.

 

[Brainache]

Thanks GB.
It sounds all a bit like the early days of Stalin's Soviet Union to me. Killtown should watch out for ice picks.

 

[gumboot]

Andrew,

Fuel upon impact: 5,482 gals

I don't care. Get on with your silly "experiment".

-Andrew

 

[Killtown]

I don't care. Get on with your silly "experiment".

-Andrew

Well since the fuel amounts changed, you better change your fireball sizes...


-------------------------------

Known constants:

Crash angle: 40 deg
Wingspan: 38m(125ft)
Fuel upon impact: 5,482 gals
Impact Speed: 580mph

-------------------------------

Variables:

Fuel % burned upon impact: 30-70%
Fireball temp: 240C(464F) - 1,316C(2,400F)
Peak fireball width: >>> 50m - 860m <<< old estimates
Windspeed: 9kt W - 25kt NW
Plume size: 600m - 700m
Elapsed time from crash to photo: 5.3 - 90 sec

-------------------------------

Size perspective:

Football field (no endzone) = 100yds

100yds = 300ft = 91.44m

-------------------------------


Feel free at any time to concede that Val's plume could not have come from the crash spot.

 

[gumboot]

Thanks GB.
It sounds all a bit like the early days of Stalin's Soviet Union to me. Killtown should watch out for ice picks.

The various factions have a range of mottos:

"Four planes good, two planes bad"
"Two planes good, four planes bad"
"Three planes good, four planes bad"
"No planes good, four planes bad"

And so forth.

-Andrew

 

[gumboot]

Well since the fuel amounts changed, you better change your fireball sizes...

Why? My fireball sizes were towards the low end of our range anyway, and well inside it. I feel no need to adjust.

-Andrew

 

[Killtown]

I'm going to help you guys out a bit...

Fuel upon impact: 5,500 gals