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Physics Loonies

Truther recipe

I tell you, it's worth posting here just to read the reactions. ;)

But wait!

Ignorance of everything may be necessary, but even the vastest ignorance is not enough to make a Truther!

You also need to have an almost megalomaniacal ego. Each and every Truther thinks he's a genius. They speak of themselves as being a superior race. (A superior race of dumb white guys! Don't forget, these guys can't tell the difference between movies and reality.) Quite a few of them think they can predict the future.

My colleague Alex Jones does entire shows on how frustrating it is to live in a world so foolish and stupid. I'll bet Alex is just saying up front what every Truther believes.

So a big fat ego is also necessary missing ingredient to our Truther recipe. Ignorance of physics is only a start.
 
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Big Al said:
Sorry, Dr. Adequate, the continual spiral motion transgresses Newton's First Law: "A body remains at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless acted on by an external force".

The Second Law states that the force required to give a given mass a given acceleration is the product of the mass and the acceleration (F=ma).
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There is a reason why I call myself "Adequate".

The Second Law is indeed F = ma. Now consider what happens when F = 0 and mass is constant.

You see my point?

The First Law is merely a special case of the Second.

There is also a reason why I call myself "Dr", and as I pointed out, it's 'cos I have a PhD in this stuff.
 
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rebel said:
This thread is ridiculous. To claim CTs are all people who think a helter skelter ball will continue in a spiral is just utter crap.
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And so, of course, I didn't claim that.

For the hard of thinking, let me explain my point to you in the simplest possible terms:

There is a whole bunch of CT arguments which depend not only on having no mathematical knowledge of Galilean physics but also on having no common-sense knowledge of Galilean physics. Such as one can obtain by seeing real things actually fall over.
 
kookbreaker said:
Ah! A sort of 'Jack-of-all-Ignorances'?
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I love it...now one of my favorite labels, along with conspiranoia.

rebel said:
When it come to Physics, I think I will trust a Professor of it, such as Staven Jones, rather than amateurs such as yourselves.
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Please provide me with a scientific paper and subsequent physics calculations, written by Dr. Jones, where he proves that the time of the WTCs should have been longer than they were if not aided by explosives.

So far, all I have read by him is best left to metalurgists...but maybe his new stuff has proven that the collapse should have taken 42 seconds...lol

TAM:)
 
rebel said:
What are my preconceived notions? Do you know I am an amateur? What work have you done on the collapse of the towers?
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Horatius said:
If you think any of the twoofer scientists know what they're talking about, then yeah, evidence suggests you don't know what your talking about. Do feel free to prove me wrong.

As for preconceived notions, I don't know, I'm simply inferring. Once again, feel free to post what you do think, so we can at least know your actual beliefs. In the absence of such disclosure, we're forced to speculate, and you won't like that, I assure you.
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rebel said:
Is Cynthia Mckinney a dumb white guy?
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So, are you just going to pass on proving me wrong? Or did posting your question use up all your cleverness for today?
 
PerryLogan said:
I tell you, it's worth posting here just to read the reactions. ;)

But wait!

Ignorance of everything may be necessary, but even the vastest ignorance is not enough to make a Truther!

You also need to have an almost megalomaniacal ego. Each and every Truther thinks he's a genius. They speak of themselves as being a superior race. (A superior race of dumb white guys! Don't forget, these guys can't tell the difference between movies and reality.) Quite a few of them think they can predict the future.

My colleague Alex Jones does entire shows on how frustrating it is to live in a world so foolish and stupid. I'll bet Alex is just saying up front what every Truther believes.

So a big fat ego is also necessary missing ingredient to our Truther recipe. Ignorance of physics is only a start.
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This seems to go with the territory:

People tend to hold overly favorable views of their abilities in many social and intellectual domains. The authors suggest that this overestimation occurs, in part, because people who are unskilled in these domains suffer a dual burden: Not only do these people reach erroneous conclusions and make unfortunate choices, but their incompetence robs them of the metacognitive ability to realize it. Across 4 studies, the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the 12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd. Several analyses linked this miscalibration to deficits in metacognitive skill, or the capacity to distinguish accuracy from error. Paradoxically, improving the skills of participants, and thus increasing their metacognitive competence, helped them recognize the limitations of their abilities.

It is one of the essential features of such incompetence that the person so afflicted is incapable of knowing that he is incompetent. To have such knowledge would already be to remedy a good portion of the offense.
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Dr Adequate said:
And so, of course, I didn't claim that.

For the hard of thinking, let me explain my point to you in the simplest possible terms:

There is a whole bunch of CT arguments which depend not only on having no mathematical knowledge of Galilean physics but also on having no common-sense knowledge of Galilean physics. Such as one can obtain by seeing real things actually fall over.
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Name one of these arguments.
 
I hate both terms, because in 2007 they are essentially meaningless.

We have Democrats who are prolife, Republicans that are prochoice, Dems who are pro taxes, Dems that are anti taxes, and the same with Republicans...it is all hogwash...and thats all I have to say about the politics...in the CT forum.

TAM
 
Dr Adequate said:
I'm so right again.

My thanks to Cylinder for the link.
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I... am an actor. I have a MFA in Dramatic Arts, I currently teach Theatre and Speech At FAMU and FSU as well as perform whatever roles I can find here in Tallahassee. Math, Physics, etc... are not my strong suit by any means.

I posted that little back story because even though I am ignorant of many things in the scientific fields mentioned above, that link made my head hurt. If that person has a degree it should be revoked and I mean ANY degree! From Physics to "Degree Rule8ing deoderant!"
 
rebel said:
Name one of these arguments.
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Uh, I named several of them in my OP, how stupid are you?

Duh.

If I had to pick just one of them, it would be the drooling nonsense about "faster than free fall". This is just meaningless, like saying "yellower than the speed of sound", or "louder than the exchange rate of the pound against the dollar". One cannot quantify the exchange rate in decibels. Any person who tries to do so is ignorant of physics, economics, or, most likely, both.
 
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rebel said:
When it come to Physics, I think I will trust a Professor of it, such as Staven Jones, rather than amateurs such as yourselves.
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Dr Jones Thermite theory is so far off it is not even funny. OK it is funny. He has changed his paper so many times you have to wonder which peer reviewed which paper? He used poets and theologians as his peers.

Why? You seem like you flunked out of physics and have no idea what Jones said or what it means.

Jones is wrong, therefore you are wrong.

When it comes to physics you should check out your loon Dr Jones credentials before you make the big leap of ignorance.

Are you able to read and comprehend? If you read Dr Jones' paper you will see clearly he is wrong with his conclusions based on his thermite ideas. Hint; thermite is iron rust and powdered al. Iron rust and al are in abundance at the world trade center.

Do you know when Dr Jones finally figured out his idea? Do you need to see his first paper? You also need to get a refund on any education fees you have paid to any schools you attended; you were ripped off.
 
Dr Adequate said:
"louder than the exchange rate of the pound against the dollar". One cannot quantify the exchange rate in decibels. Any person who tries to do so is ignorant of physics, economics, or, most likely, both.
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How about if we measure how loud the traders are shouting?


:)
 
Dr Adequate said:
Uh, I named several of them in my OP, how stupid are you?

Duh.

If I had to pick just one of them, it would be the drooling nonsense about "faster than free fall". This is just meaningless, like saying "yellower than the speed of sound", or "louder than the exchange rate of the pound against the dollar". One cannot quantify the exchange rate in decibels. Any person who tries to do so is ignorant of physics, economics, or, most likely, both.
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What utter crap!

If I throw a ball to the ground it will go faster than freefall. Nobody is claiming the towers fell faster than freefall.
 
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