Perry wants us to pay for his stunt

[dudalb]

I'm just hard pressed to believe that Perry is serious about another run. I see this as more of a stunt to stiff Republican backs against Wendy's candidacy against Abbot for the Texas governorship.

You forget about Perry's ego, which has truly epic proportions. I agree his chances are zero, but he probably does not see it that way.
I never thought that Wendy's chances were all that good anyway. If I were in Texas I would certainly vote for her,but I thought her chances were never as good as some Dems would like to think. Delusion happens in both political parties.

 

[dudalb]

The Racism in some of these posts is painfully apparent.

 

[GWCarver]

And what, exactly, is the problem with the Secure Communities program? What do you think it actually does, and what do you think would have happened had it not been in place?

It is basically a law-enforcement shared information program, but if you wish to familiarize yourself with the program, you can read all about it here:

http://www.ice.gov/secure_communities/

The net result of releasing the 16K+ illegals in question between 2008-2011 was they ended up being charged with an average of a little over 2 crimes each, and these were people who supposedly weren't criminals. Why is this important? Last year the Obama Administration released 68,000 illegals who actually had criminal records, and they will all end up living next door to someone.

 

[A'isha]

It is basically a law-enforcement shared information program, but if you wish to familiarize yourself with the program, you can read all about it here:

http://www.ice.gov/secure_communities/

Yes, I know. So, again, what's the problem with it? What do you think would have happened had the program not existed?

The net result of releasing the 16K+ illegals in question between 2008-2011 was they ended up being charged with an average of a little over 2 crimes each, and these were people who supposedly weren't criminals. Why is this important? Last year the Obama Administration released 68,000 illegals who actually had criminal records, and they will all end up living next door to someone.

What does this have to do with the Secure Communities program? Would these illegals not have been released if Obama had canceled Bush's program?

 

[Spindrift]

It is basically a law-enforcement shared information program, but if you wish to familiarize yourself with the program, you can read all about it here:

http://www.ice.gov/secure_communities/

The net result of releasing the 16K+ illegals in question between 2008-2011 was they ended up being charged with an average of a little over 2 crimes each, and these were people who supposedly weren't criminals. Why is this important? Last year the Obama Administration released 68,000 illegals who actually had criminal records, and they will all end up living next door to someone.

That is incorrect. They were arrested for something in the first place. They were released because that was the standard procedure for whatever they were arrested for in the first place. They were not detained for immigration violations by the local law enforcements. No one said that they weren't criminals.

How about comparative statistics of 68,000 legal citizens who were arrested for something and then released? ETA: And they already live next door to someone.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Surprisingly enough, Bush is still running the government from his ranch in Texas, at least according to Dems who don't want Obama to get the credit he deserves for all of his accomplishments.

If he gets the credit he should get the blame too. Surprisingly enough, the GOP likes to pretend he never happened.

 

[Unabogie]

Here we go again.

Obama does something, conservatives howl. If the law was something Bush signed into law, then they rail that Obama should have somehow reversed the law or ignored the law or made congress repeal the law. But Obama simply following the law is a scandal and is not an option. However, if Obama ever appoints a "czar", or signs an executive order, or orders an agency to interpret any law in a way that Teabaggers don't like, it's LAWLESSNESS and TYRANNY!

 

[12AX7]

Here we go again.

Obama does something, conservatives howl. If the law was something Bush signed into law, then they rail that Obama should have somehow reversed the law or ignored the law or made congress repeal the law. But Obama simply following the law is a scandal and is not an option. However, if Obama ever appoints a "czar", or signs an executive order, or orders an agency to interpret any law in a way that Teabaggers don't like, it's LAWLESSNESS and TYRANNY!

P'nWB.

 

[GWCarver]

That is incorrect. They were arrested for something in the first place. They were released because that was the standard procedure for whatever they were arrested for in the first place. They were not detained for immigration violations by the local law enforcements. No one said that they weren't criminals.

How about comparative statistics of 68,000 legal citizens who were arrested for something and then released? ETA: And they already live next door to someone.

They were arrested by state or local law enforcement, fingerprinted, and released. It doesn't say why they were arrested, but there is no point in fingerprinting someone if their prints aren't going to be run. I've worked at a lot of police departments and they like to know with whom they are dealing. In fact, I was at one department in Texas for three days that would not pull anyone over at all during that time because they couldn't run wants and warrants on the plate numbers.

The number of crimes that were committed by an equal number of citizens is irrelevant, IMO, because all crimes by illegals are incremental. For example, none of the crimes committed by the estimated 100,000 illegals in Texas who are MS13 gang members would have been committed if they were stopped at the border. It would be silly to suggest they could all be put into gang-controlled neighborhoods in Chicago because there are already a lot of crimes being committed there.

 

[Unabogie]

They were arrested by state or local law enforcement, fingerprinted, and released. It doesn't say why they were arrested, but there is no point in fingerprinting someone if their prints aren't going to be run. I've worked at a lot of police departments and they like to know with whom they are dealing. In fact, I was at one department in Texas for three days that would not pull anyone over at all during that time because they couldn't run wants and warrants on the plate numbers.

The number of crimes that were committed by an equal number of citizens is irrelevant, IMO, because all crimes by illegals are incremental. For example, none of the crimes committed by the estimated 100,000 illegals in Texas who are MS13 gang members would have been committed if they were stopped at the border. It would be silly to suggest they could all be put into gang-controlled neighborhoods in Chicago because there are already a lot of crimes being committed there.

100,000? In Texas? All illegally here? Source for this?

 

[GWCarver]

100,000? In Texas? All illegally here? Source for this?

Make that 100,000 illegal gang members, not just MS13. My mistake. The source was Texas State Senator Dan Patrick.

Here is an excellent article written in 2006 about MS-13 and other gangs in Houston, Tx. The article only covers a small part of Houston, but it isn't the only barrio run by gangs in the city, and, of course, Texas is a really big state. I grew up in a lower middle-class neighborhood in a different part of town that has been destination for illegals for years, and it is no longer safe for anyone. My sister is an RN who has to visit patients in that part of town during the daytime. Although there many dangers, her biggest fear is getting attacked by one of roaming packs of wild dogs.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/you-dont-want-know-what-we-do-after-dark

 

[Spindrift]

They were arrested by state or local law enforcement, fingerprinted, and released. It doesn't say why they were arrested, but there is no point in fingerprinting someone if their prints aren't going to be run. I've worked at a lot of police departments and they like to know with whom they are dealing. In fact, I was at one department in Texas for three days that would not pull anyone over at all during that time because they couldn't run wants and warrants on the plate numbers.

That's nice, but it has zero to do with the "Secure Communities" program. The program is not a get out of jail free card. It just means that local authorities are not to detain anyone for immigration issues, that's the Feds job. If the locals want to detain someone for a local issue, nothing is stopping them from doing so.

The number of crimes that were committed by an equal number of citizens is irrelevant, IMO, because all crimes by illegals are incremental. For example, none of the crimes committed by the estimated 100,000 illegals in Texas who are MS13 gang members would have been committed if they were stopped at the border. It would be silly to suggest they could all be put into gang-controlled neighborhoods in Chicago because there are already a lot of crimes being committed there.

Whether or not the crimes are incremental is irrelevant.

BTW: You have a source for that 100,000 number?

 

[dudalb]

This is rapidly becoming the GOP view of immigration:


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[Corsair 115]

In 2008, Michael Savage predicted that if then-Senator Obama was elected President, hordes of illegal aliens would rampage through California, robbing, raping, and killing good, decent Americans. I guess they went to Texas instead.

They took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.

 

[A'isha]

That's nice, but it has zero to do with the "Secure Communities" program. The program is not a get out of jail free card. It just means that local authorities are not to detain anyone for immigration issues, that's the Feds job. If the locals want to detain someone for a local issue, nothing is stopping them from doing so.

It doesn't even do that. All it does is set up a process by which the FBI, which gets sent fingerprints of individuals arrested by local law enforcement to see if those individuals have a Federal criminal record, now also in turn sends those fingerprints to DHS to see if DHS has a record of those individuals as illegals (or have committed deportable crimes). Then ICE, part of DHS, prioritizes which of the arrested individuals they want to pursue for immigration crimes and/or deportation.

It has exactly zip to do with the crimes those individuals were arrested for by the local law enforcement agencies...Secure Communities deals solely with ICE prosecution of immigration laws against those individuals, entirely separately from the criminal charges that they were originally arrested for by the local agencies.

If these individuals are getting released after being arrested by local law enforcement agencies for committing crimes in the US, it's because those local agencies, and only those local agencies, are making the decision to release them (bail, dropping charges, etc.). The only thing the Feds did was not additionally arrest them for the separate immigration crimes.

BTW: You have a source for that 100,000 number?

He already said...the Texas GOP senator's claims to Breitbart.

 

[12AX7]

This is rapidly becoming the GOP view of immigration:


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And to the GOP I submit:

 

[Unabogie]

Make that 100,000 illegal gang members, not just MS13. My mistake. The source was Texas State Senator Dan Patrick.

So no source at all, really. Just made up numbers to further an agenda of xenophobia.

Does it trouble you at all that you can't find corroboration of those numbers anywhere, even though finding them would obviously help your cause? Do you ever wonder if maybe people like Texas State Senator Dan Patrick are just flat out lying to you?

 

[CORed]

Perry probably thinks Posse Comitatus is something you catch in Tijuana.

Juarez. It's much closer to Texas.

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Juarez. It's much closer to Texas.

Neuvo Laredo, maybe?

 

[thaiboxerken]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Perry is motivated by xenophobia.

Maybe, but if he's not, he is pandering to the xenophobic base.