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Pandemic Panic Must Stop

gabeygoat said:
I didn't stock up on anything. TP was usually low in the store, but there was always enough. Sometimes stores ran out of original flavor ramen. I don't know, I must have got lucky and I just couldn't be bothered to panic
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I stocked up on fishing lures.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Just like masks and social distancing got us through the pandemic without overwhelming hospitals and funeral homes (or it was supposed to had people cooperated), a vaccine that wears off quickly will get us further down the road.
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I feel like THAT can't be stressed enough, because that's one thing that idiot anti-vaxers invariably miss. It's not JUST the deaths by Corona itself. If the hospitals and/or ambulances are stuffed because of the extra corona cases, a lot of extra people start dying of other causes. You get a heart attack and the ambulance doesn't come in time because everyone was busy with a Corona outbreak getting out of hand, you die. You get an accident on the highway, same deal, you die. Etc.

If a vaccine isn't perfect, but can keep that from happening, huzzah.
 
Also, for the gang going, "OMG, government tyranny"... here's the deal: if you only endanger yourself, I'm even tempted to encourage you to keep at it and get a Darwin Award. Sure, go hiking in the desert or climbing mountains without a rope or whatever. Nobody's going to stop you. BUT, and that's a big fat BUT, if you endanger the others around you, guess what? They get to have a say in it too. You don't get to unilaterally decide what risk level should everyone ELSE be ok with around you.

And it's not even a new deal. It's how we've been operating all along. We require people to take an exam before they operate a motor vehicle. We forbid people from driving while drunk. We require buildings to conform to a safety code. Etc.

Why? Because when something ends up endangering others, no, it's no longer just some imaginary right to do whatever you damn please.
 
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That's good news for once! 80% vaccination is outstanding, but then, they've always been a nation of clever people.

If it goes well, it will show the textbook response to Covid, with a death rate of only 0.04%.

Good place to keep an eye on, especially in light of Israel.
 
The OP is a perfect distillation about a certain type of conservative smugness that is very common, where every call for action to deal with a problem is cavalierly dismissed as hysterical alarmism.

Looking back at recent history, it's hard to argue that it isn't the story of alarmists being right.

The alarmists were right about the dangers of covid should we not contain its spread.
The alarmists were right about the dangers of uncontrolled climate change.
The alarmists were right about the resurgence of fascism and other radical right political projects.
The alarmists were right about Afghanistan.
The alarmists were right about Iraq.
The alarmists were right about the Patriot Act and the erosion of civil rights.
The alarmists were right about out of control police.

The alarmists are right about damn near everything. Ignoring these alarms isn't cool-headedness, it's burying your head in the sand.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
The OP is a perfect distillation about a certain type of conservative smugness that is very common, where every call for action to deal with a problem is cavalierly dismissed as hysterical alarmism.

Looking back at recent history, it's hard to argue that it isn't the story of alarmists being right.

The alarmists were right about the dangers of covid should we not contain its spread.
The alarmists were right about the dangers of uncontrolled climate change.
The alarmists were right about the resurgence of fascism and other radical right political projects.
The alarmists were right about Afghanistan.
The alarmists were right about Iraq.
The alarmists were right about the Patriot Act and the erosion of civil rights.
The alarmists were right about out of control police.

The alarmists are right about damn near everything. Ignoring these alarms isn't cool-headedness, it's burying your head in the sand.
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Am I being alarmist posting confirmation that three children, including a baby, are in ICU in Sydney?

https://www.news.com.au/world/coron...s/news-story/51b5a6d50d7b7d64dbab28896c675d64

A baby and a child aged under 10 who are both being treated for Covid have been placed on ventilators to breathe in a Sydney intensive care unit as the number of Covid infected children climbs to 2000.
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The Atheist will no doubt find a way to dismiss this as panicking. To me, it’s a tragedy.
 
lionking said:
Am I being alarmist posting confirmation that three children, including a baby, are in ICU in Sydney?
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Looks like it to me.

First off, I note you don't bother telling the whole story, likely because it doesn't fit your narrative. From your link:

Importantly, all three children have underlying health conditions.
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Some other numbers for you:

Nine kids a week die in Australia, and 730 are taken to hospital.

(I'm also even more skeptical now about the claims of "children in ICU in Sydney due to Covid" made here on 25 August. The idea that these kids have been in ICU for ten days is a stretch too far, I think.)

How are those three tiny babies on the NICU in Melbourne going? None died, I see. Four neonates in NICU catch Covid in the ward and don't die. Deadly for children indeed. What you're actually telling me is that so far, zero children without existing health issues have been placed in ICU in all of Australia.

Further panic noticeable here yesterday, with screaming headlines about one death in Auckland.

Of a 90-year-old woman with such extensive morbidities pre-infection they couldn't ventilate her.

Tragic.

How's that elimination strategy in Victoria you were boasting about going?
 
The Atheist said:
Looks like it to me.

First off, I note you don't bother telling the whole story, likely because it doesn't fit your narrative. From your link:



Some other numbers for you:

Nine kids a week die in Australia, and 730 are taken to hospital.

(I'm also even more skeptical now about the claims of "children in ICU in Sydney due to Covid" made here on 25 August. The idea that these kids have been in ICU for ten days is a stretch too far, I think.)

How are those three tiny babies on the NICU in Melbourne going? None died, I see. Four neonates in NICU catch Covid in the ward and don't die. Deadly for children indeed. What you're actually telling me is that so far, zero children without existing health issues have been placed in ICU in all of Australia.

Further panic noticeable here yesterday, with screaming headlines about one death in Auckland.

Of a 90-year-old woman with such extensive morbidities pre-infection they couldn't ventilate her.

Tragic.

How's that elimination strategy in Victoria you were boasting about going?
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C. it is then
 
The Atheist said:
Looks like it to me.

First off, I note you don't bother telling the whole story, likely because it doesn't fit your narrative. From your link:



Some other numbers for you:

Nine kids a week die in Australia, and 730 are taken to hospital.

(I'm also even more skeptical now about the claims of "children in ICU in Sydney due to Covid" made here on 25 August. The idea that these kids have been in ICU for ten days is a stretch too far, I think.)

How are those three tiny babies on the NICU in Melbourne going? None died, I see. Four neonates in NICU catch Covid in the ward and don't die. Deadly for children indeed. What you're actually telling me is that so far, zero children without existing health issues have been placed in ICU in all of Australia.

Further panic noticeable here yesterday, with screaming headlines about one death in Auckland.

Of a 90-year-old woman with such extensive morbidities pre-infection they couldn't ventilate her.

Tragic.

How's that elimination strategy in Victoria you were boasting about going?
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And you ignored this:

“These children have underlying health conditions, but are in intensive care due to Covid-19,” a spokeswoman said.
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I'll just leave this here...

https://news.yahoo.com/sc-children-catch-covid-record-090000688.html

"More than 17,000 South Carolina children under the age of 10 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in the six weeks since the state’s first schools opened their doors in late July."

"Children under 10 make up 12.4% of all COVID-19 cases over the last six weeks compared to just 3.7% of cases — the lowest of any age group — during the first six weeks of the 2020-2021 school year, according to state health department data."

"We have the most children we’ve ever had in our ICUs due to COVID,” said Dr. Caughman Taylor, senior medical director at Prisma Health Children’s Hospital–Midlands. “We have had five weeks of our ICU being at 100% capacity with (pediatric intensive care unit) holds in our (emergency department) except for two nights. That is unprecedented. Even in the worst flu seasons, we never went more than four or five days in a situation like that."

"This is impacting children like it has never impacted children in the state of South Carolina. Ever,” he said. “So we’re asking for your help. This is serious, it’s getting worse, the trends are not improving."

For context, South Carolina has a similar population to New Zealand... about 5 million
 
smartcooky said:
"More than 17,000 South Carolina children under the age of 10 have been diagnosed with COVID-19 in the six weeks since the state’s first schools opened their doors in late July."

"Children under 10 make up 12.4% of all COVID-19 cases over the last six weeks compared to just 3.7% of cases — the lowest of any age group — during the first six weeks of the 2020-2021 school year, according to state health department data."

"We have the most children we’ve ever had in our ICUs due to COVID,” said Dr. Caughman Taylor, senior medical director at Prisma Health Children’s Hospital–Midlands. “We have had five weeks of our ICU being at 100% capacity with (pediatric intensive care unit) holds in our (emergency department) except for two nights. That is unprecedented. Even in the worst flu seasons, we never went more than four or five days in a situation like that."

"This is impacting children like it has never impacted children in the state of South Carolina. Ever,” he said. “So we’re asking for your help. This is serious, it’s getting worse, the trends are not improving."

For context, South Carolina has a similar population to New Zealand... about 5 million
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Adding some additional info on the numbers of children hospitalized from the Yahoo piece.

The South Carolina Children’s Hospital Collaborative, which collects data from the state’s four children’s hospitals, reported Friday that 34 children in South Carolina were hospitalized with COVID-19. Seventeen of those children were in intensive care units and eight were on life support, according to the organization.
None of the children hospitalized with COVID-19 are vaccinated, despite nearly half of them being eligible for shots, the SC Children’s Hospital Collaborative said.
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Get your kids vaccinated if eligible! And FDA, Pfizer need to get their butts in gear on lowering the age of vaccinations.
 
Unfortunately we in Australia don’t yet have a vaccine approved for under 12s. Hopefully we will soon.
 
lionking said:
Unfortunately we in Australia don’t yet have a vaccine approved for under 12s. Hopefully we will soon.
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The USA doesn't either. Which means the majority of those hospitalized are over 12. Would be nice to know how many of those hospitalized were <10 since the scary case numbers were all about cases in the under 10 y/o group. Looks like it's the older kids getting seriously sick.
 
lionking said:
And you ignored this:
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I didn't ignore it, I highlighted it.

Without the pre-existing conditions, they almost certainly wouldn't be in ICU.

smartcooky said:
I'll just leave this here...

"We have the most children we’ve ever had in our ICUs due to COVID,” said Dr. Caughman Taylor, senior medical director at Prisma Health Children’s Hospital–Midlands. “We have had five weeks of our ICU being at 100% capacity with (pediatric intensive care unit) holds in our (emergency department) except for two nights. That is unprecedented. Even in the worst flu seasons, we never went more than four or five days in a situation like that."
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Without knowing what that capacity is, it's a meaningless statement.

As you say, NZ and SC are about the same population.

NZ has around 80 PICU beds in the entire country. I'd expect SC has two or three times as many, and if we're generous and say 5 times as many ever, that's all of 400 kids.

Like I keep saying, panicking over numbers...

Question for you and Lionking - that he keeps failing to answer, so I'll give you a shot as well:

What number of children is ok to be in an ICU with Covid?

If it's zero, expect to stay at level 3 forever, because kids are all going to get it.

marting said:
The USA doesn't either. Which means the majority of those hospitalized are over 12. Would be nice to know how many of those hospitalized were <10 since the scary case numbers were all about cases in the under 10 y/o group. Looks like it's the older kids getting seriously sick.
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The numbers would scarier if they were actual numbers. Percentages hide a lot.

"The most", "X%%"

Some numbers would help with perspective.
 
marting said:
The USA doesn't either. Which means the majority of those hospitalized are over 12. Would be nice to know how many of those hospitalized were <10 since the scary case numbers were all about cases in the under 10 y/o group. Looks like it's the older kids getting seriously sick.
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Yes. It looks very much as if this version is a lot more likely to kill young people than the earlier versions, but some people prefer to bury their heads in the sand and pretend its not happening. It shows that what DeSantis and his right-wing goon squad are doing in Florida with respect to school mask mandates is just sheer lunacy... and, DeSantis has been busted trying to fiddle the Florida death stats to make it look not as serious as it is.
 
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