Split Thread O'Reilly, Olberman, and other left-vs-right commentators.

Minadin said:
I dislike the Olberman / O'Reilly types moreso than the Limbaugh sorts, because, for instance, O'Reilly calls his radio show the 'No Spin Zone' - and it's nothing but spin - and Olberman tries to pretend like he's not completely one-sided, but he is. At least Limbaugh doesn't pretend to be impartial.
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Rush is in a class all his own, politics aside. What distinguishes Rush from anyone else I can think of is his sense of humor. Olbermann, Hannity, Beck, O'Reilly and all the rest have no humor and given the state of national affairs, people need a little humor along with political commentary.
 
skeptigirl said:
The left wing idiots are more second tier: Mike Malloy, Randi Rhodes & Alex Jones come to mind.
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Woah, there, Skeptigirl. What makes you think that Alex Jones is a leftist, or even a liberal? The man has supported the Minutemen, for crying out loud. You even cite Dave Neiwert in one of your posts here, a reporter who has pointed out Infowars' knee-jerk reaction to the Missouri Information Analysis Center report on militias. Meanwhile, people like Richard Poplawski choose Infowars as their alternative media source.

I have more about Jones if you want it, in a critique of the film "Endgame". It's pretty clear from the sources he used in that video that he is not a lefty, his antipathy toward George W. Bush notwithstanding.


And for the record, I could never listen to Rhodes for more than a few minutes. Something about her annoyed me.
 
skeptigirl said:
No Olbermann is not the same as O'Reilly. Olbermann has his point of view, but he doesn't lie and isn't a bully.
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Who is Olbermann to bully, since all guests are carefully pre-screened to assure their views are in accord with those of Olbermann?
 
Marc39 said:
The Nation--Now, there's an unbiased source. Next, you'll be referencing Chomsky.
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I see you tried to discredit the videos and transcripts of Beck and Hannity by saying the source has a liberal slant. Pretty ineffective argument considering no one has accused the nation of photo shopping or faking videos and transcripts.
 
G-K-4 said:
Woah, there, Skeptigirl. What makes you think that Alex Jones is a leftist, or even a liberal? The man has supported the Minutemen, for crying out loud. You even cite Dave Neiwert in one of your posts here, a reporter who has pointed out Infowars' knee-jerk reaction to the Missouri Information Analysis Center report on militias. Meanwhile, people like Richard Poplawski choose Infowars as their alternative media source.

I have more about Jones if you want it, in a critique of the film "Endgame". It's pretty clear from the sources he used in that video that he is not a lefty, his antipathy toward George W. Bush notwithstanding.
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I totally defer to your knowledge of Jones. I never listen to or read the man. I was going by the fact he's a regular on Prison Planet (which I also rarely read or listen to except occasionally when they overlap into Freespeech TV or Democracy Now).


G-K-4 said:
And for the record, I could never listen to Rhodes for more than a few minutes. Something about her annoyed me.
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I gave her a shot when Air America first started but it didn't last long. Same with Malloy & RFK Jr, once I heard a few programs I turned them off.
 
skeptigirl said:
My point is that Olbermann's mistakes are not on the same level as Hannity's and Beck's. Retractions have nothing to do with it, degree or level of lunacy does.
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That is right off the stable floor.

KO insisted that Tim Russert approved of his fractious and fatuous program. But there is no statement by Russert to support KO's claim. Just compare the guest list of "Meet the Press" vs. "Countdown" and it is obvious that KO's "style" and format closely follows the habits of the halibut.

"For what it's worth, he didn't position himself publicly on this for obvious reasons, and we had had a very pleasant, very constructive "what can we do to keep our two styles from hurting each other's broadcast, or the whole organization," conversation. But Tim Russert was as supportive of what I did as anybody else at NBC, and his role on the MSNBC election coverage was voluntary and enthusiastic.

Keith Olbermann on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:22:44 AM PDT"

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/200.../2363/174#c174
 
Marc39 said:
Who is Olbermann to bully, since all guests are carefully pre-screened to assure their views are in accord with those of Olbermann?
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Here's a list of 1,346 of Olbermann's guests:

http://olbermann.org/ko/index.cfm?go=guests

It'll take some time to check on these.


Russert was on 3 times, Cicero. Perhaps you want to dig those clips out and see how chummy they were. I have no doubt these 2 were close friends. Why wouldn't Russert approve of Olbermann's program?
 
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Minadin said:
I dislike the Olberman / O'Reilly types moreso than the Limbaugh sorts, because, for instance, O'Reilly calls his radio show the 'No Spin Zone' - and it's nothing but spin - and Olberman tries to pretend like he's not completely one-sided, but he is. At least Limbaugh doesn't pretend to be impartial.
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So admitting to being a liar is more important than whether or not you actually lie?
 
Cicero said:
KO insisted that Tim Russert approved of his fractious and fatuous program. But there is no statement by Russert to support KO's claim.
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Russert died ashamed of KO and the tawdry direction MSNBC has taken. Brokaw, with Russert's support, probably, put an end to the disgraceful episode of KO and Matthews pretending to be election news anchors.
 
Cicero said:
That is right off the stable floor.

KO insisted that Tim Russert approved of his fractious and fatuous program. But there is no statement by Russert to support KO's claim. Just compare the guest list of "Meet the Press" vs. "Countdown" and it is obvious that KO's "style" and format closely follows the habits of the halibut.

"For what it's worth, he didn't position himself publicly on this for obvious reasons, and we had had a very pleasant, very constructive "what can we do to keep our two styles from hurting each other's broadcast, or the whole organization," conversation. But Tim Russert was as supportive of what I did as anybody else at NBC, and his role on the MSNBC election coverage was voluntary and enthusiastic.

Keith Olbermann on Mon Jun 16, 2008 at 12:22:44 AM PDT"

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/200.../2363/174#c174
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I'm looking for what you think is "stable floor" material there, and I'm having a hard time finding it, especially since your link brings up a blank page of the Daily Kos.

Are you saying that his comment that Tim Russert was supportive of him is somehow sleazy? Even if it wasn't true, and I see no evidence either way, it is hardly an attack on anybody. Has anyone at MSNBC challenged Olberman's statement? If so, where?

Surely you can do better than this.
 
Looking quickly over Olbermann's guest list, I don't recognize most of the names and granted his show is totally different from O'Reilly's, but Olbermann has had the following conservative guests on:

Ashcroft, John

Ken Blackwell

Tony Blair

John Boehner

Pat Buchanan 9 times

Tucker Carlson

Alex Jones (since G-K-4 says Jones is not a liberal)
 
Marc39 said:
Russert died ashamed of KO and the tawdry direction MSNBC has taken. Brokaw, with Russert's support, probably, put an end to the disgraceful episode of KO and Matthews pretending to be election news anchors.
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How do you know this?
 
Tricky said:
I'm looking for what you think is "stable floor" material there, and I'm having a hard time finding it, especially since your link brings up a blank page of the Daily Kos.

Are you saying that his comment that Tim Russert was supportive of him is somehow sleazy? Even if it wasn't true, and I see no evidence either way, it is hardly an attack on anybody. Has anyone at MSNBC challenged Olberman's statement? If so, where?

Surely you can do better than this.
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My point is that Olbermann's mistakes are not on the same level as Hannity's and Beck's.
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skeptigirl

That's the stable floor material.
 
skeptigirl said:
Looking quickly over Olbermann's guest list, I don't recognize most of the names and granted his show is totally different from O'Reilly's, but Olbermann has had the following conservative guests on:

Ashcroft, John

Ken Blackwell

Tony Blair

John Boehner

Pat Buchanan 9 times

Tucker Carlson

Alex Jones (since G-K-4 says Jones is not a liberal)
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Since when is Tony Blair a conservative? Do you just assume that because he supported the war in Iraq?
 
skeptigirl said:
Looking quickly over Olbermann's guest list, I don't recognize most of the names and granted his show is totally different from O'Reilly's, but Olbermann has had the following conservative guests on:

Ashcroft, John

Ken Blackwell

Tony Blair

John Boehner

Pat Buchanan 9 times

Tucker Carlson

Alex Jones (since G-K-4 says Jones is not a liberal)
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The only reason why MSNBC has on Buchanan is because he criticizes Israel and all conservatives except himself.

Blair a conservative? He is in the Labor Party.
 
Tricky said:
I'm looking for what you think is "stable floor" material there, and I'm having a hard time finding it, especially since your link brings up a blank page of the Daily Kos.

Are you saying that his comment that Tim Russert was supportive of him is somehow sleazy? Even if it wasn't true, and I see no evidence either way, it is hardly an attack on anybody. Has anyone at MSNBC challenged Olberman's statement? If so, where?

Surely you can do better than this.
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There are no public comments directly from Russert that support what KO does on MSNBC.


"Meanwhile, Matthews' MSNBC cable cohort Olbermann, who was also at the memorial, is "threatening to quit if he isn't installed as Russert's replacement," another insider said. "I know, it sounds ludicrous, but, then, Keith Olbermann is ludicrous."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06202008/gossip/pagesix/cable_guys_lust_for_tims_job_116298.htm

It is hysterical that JREFer libs defend KO/Maddow while trashing O'Reilly. They all do the exact same thing on different cable channles. Only O'Reilly actually allows for dissenting voices on his program.
 
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