Open Letter to Dave Thomas

[tsig]

SO is a "hot, hot" fire much hotter then a simple "hot" fire? Care to be a little more specific as to just how HOT a "hot, hot" fire is?

talk about dancing with semantics.

TAM

I'd guess a hot, hot fire is twice as hot as a hot fire and three times as hot as a simple fire then we have cool fires and finally cold fires(ashes).

All science so far!!

 

[ergo]

Temperature is not, correct;

Okay, well you've both told us what it's not. Pray tell us what it is. Thanks.

 

[tsig]

Which is why you can roast weenies over a smoking, green-wood camp fire?

So the boy scouts did it when a camp fire got out of control? What brand of weenies were they?

Ball park Plumpers could have exploded and CDed the building.

 

[ergo]

Did a hockey game just end? Or am I just this popular?

 

[ergo]

Ball park Plumpers could have exploded and CDed the building.

I think more likely they smouldered, which, of course, caused the steel to weaken.

 

[ergo]

So anyway, since a definition of temperature that corresponds with all other known definitions of temperature is not forthcoming, does anyone know when the firefighting efforts were stopped on WTC7?

 

[tsig]

So anyway, since a definition of temperature that corresponds with all other known definitions of temperature is not forthcoming, does anyone know when the firefighting efforts were stopped on WTC7?

When we ordered it too.

 

[ergo]

Well, now you're just gettin silly.

And your spelling is slipping.

 

[ergo]

I guess the game's back on...

 

[Grizzly Bear]

The whole happy spider & sarcasm thing was funny the first time. Consecutive sarcasm over a couple of pages consecutively gets slightly old...

 

[tfk]

Really, ozeco? I thought it was heat that weakened steel.

... just the last in a long line of items about which you're misinformed ...

Bt there's zero point in informing you.

Because "getting your facts straight" ain't what this little charade is all about. is it?


tk

 

[Dog Town]

does anyone know when the firefighting efforts were stopped on WTC7?

REALLY?


Hi D'oh!

 

[ozeco41]

Really? Temperature is not a measure of heat energy?

Voltage is not a measurement of the energy contained within an electrical circuit?

Correct on both.

By the way you are using risky terminology with the expression "...is not a measure of..." which could be interpreted ambiguously. To be safe try:
"Temperature is not a measure of the amount of heat energy?"

Because "Temperature is not a measure of a factor related to heat energy." (It is one of three factors which multiplied together define heat energy.)

and, if you ever become involved in assisting truthers to understand basic physics, you will need to beware of ambiguities.

 

[ozeco41]

So anyway, since a definition of temperature that corresponds with all other known definitions of temperature is not forthcoming, does anyone know when the firefighting efforts were stopped on WTC7?

An interesting point since AFAIK there is not a generally agreed scientific definition of "temperature" that is better than the common sense version. The common sense version says "temperature is a measure of how hot or how cold something is."

So:
Temperature X (amount of heat moving) X time = energy^(heat)
AND Volts X Amps X time = energy^(electrical)
AND Pressure X (Flow Rate) X Time = energy^{(fluid flow)}
...and you can put the proper dimensions and number of zeros in to get the right answers.

 

[Dave Rogers]

As I already stated, I was referring to the testimonials included in the NIST report.

[...]

Can you show me the photo or video evidence of this?

[...]

So is this an account you would believe?

[...]

Many of the statements contradict each other:

[...]

And finally, the statements claiming that the building was completely engulfed in flames before it collapsed is simply not supported by the visual evidence, as we all know.

WTC7lies indeed.

So, when you say you believe the firefighters' accounts, you mean that you believe whichever subset of the firefighters' accounts it's convenient for you to believe to support a particular preconceived opinion, and that if there are any you don't like the look of, you'll not just disbelieve them, but call the firefighters liars.

Classy.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

So, show us the north face engulfed in flames, please.

Has it occurred to you that the witness accounts describing the building as "engulfed in flames" were from the south side, whereas most of the pictures were from the north? So could it possibly be that the south side was very clearly burning while the fire wasn't so clear on the north side? And could this have been anything to do with the wind direction?

And could it also be something to do with the fact that none of the pictures of the collapse show the lower floors on either side, and those would have been the ones engulfed in flames?

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Hi, a few of you made mention of CD's and the building not reaching freefall speed in a CD, been looking on t'interweb, but can't find anything on this, a shove in the right direction, or a link or two would be very much appreciated.

Thanks.

I don't think you'll find anything useful. It's an article of faith with truthers that buildings fall at freefall speed in a CD; few of them have ever got off their arses and tried to measure any accelerations in an attempt to prove it, and those who have tend to find out that, in fact, they don't, because the CD charges only sever the supports at one point and there's still a progressive crush-up to slow the building to some extent. This tends to shut them up for a bit, because the argument that "WTC7 didn't fall at freefall, and CD's don't fall at freefall, so WTC7 was a CD" is apparently too idiotic even for a truther.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Actually, if you look in the forefront of that image, the section of building that is burning openly, the smoke is pale and thin. The thick black smoke behind that is probably coming from burning tar on top of the roof.

That's nearly as funny as bill smith's suggestion that somebody left a coffee machine on!

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Yes, the intact north face, which descended at the same time and rate as the raging-inferno side behind it.

So you admit the south face was a raging inferno? Well, at last we're getting somewhere. Now, answer me this: Which side fell faster, the south or the north?

Take your time, like the north side did.

So, I'll summarize what I've learned:












Is that about it?

Fixed that for you.

Dave

 

[Fly Poster]

Fly Poster - try entering "free fall" into this search engine. It is a little dated, but it gives links to just about any "theory" you might hear about 9/11.

9/11 Power Debunker (by google)

Cheers Carlitos,

I am quite taken by that bit of info from you guys, that free fall doesn't happen in CD's.

I would also like to thank those in this thread who have enlightened me on the science (of which I don't have a grand understanding), around the b.s of the truth "thinkers"

I unfortunately have a good freind who has been sucked into this cult, and as an anti-war activist, I have increasingly found truthers to be frankly, a pain in the ass.

See you all in another thread.

J.