Ongoing Adventures of Kyle Rittenhouse

[plague311]

You meant to type "I wouldn't be shocked if..." -- right?

Amazing catch. I'd correct all of the little odd typing mistakes you make but I have friends, a job, and things to do.

Are you paying attention, plague311 & carlitos?

To what? To your ramblings attempting to justify your ****** up outlook on why it's ok to shoot people that you think might be shoplifting? No, I'm not. I'd rather eat a bowl of human hair.

 

[webfusion]

Amazing catch. I'd correct all of the little odd typing mistakes you make but I have friends, a job, and things to do.

It was more than an innocuous typo --- it completely changed the entire meaning of your posting. So, you're welcome.

To what? To your ramblings attempting to justify your ****** up outlook on why it's ok to shoot people that you think might be shoplifting? No, I'm not. I'd rather eat a bowl of human hair.

Carlitos said it was not believable that I could have witnessed such behavior.
To which you rushed to his side, indicating "I can't imagine why anyone would believe it."

Neither of you two have the slightest clue what is happening in stores across America, apparently. They are doing considerably more than simply 'shoplifting' -- they are LOOTING. Not 'maybe' looting -- they are doing it on a grand scale in front of everyone and making a mockery of the law-abiding citizens of the USA.

Roger Ramjets brought forward a posting saying that he objects to 'looting' done by politicians, but that's another topic, having nothing to do with Kyle Rittenhouse.

 

[plague311]

It was more than an innocuous typo --- it completely changed the entire meaning of your posting. So, you're welcome.

Yet without any more input from me you were able to figure it out without a problem.

I never said thank you.

Carlitos said it was not believable that I could have witnessed such behavior.
To which you rushed to his side, indicating "I can't imagine why anyone would believe it."

No ****, because that which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. That story could be completely fabricated ********, which is exactly how it reads. Provide some evidence. You can't? Ok, dismissed.

Neither of you two have the slightest clue what is happening in stores across America, apparently.

Yeah, because I apparently don't live in America.

They are doing considerably more than simply 'shoplifting' -- they are LOOTING. Not 'maybe' looting -- they are doing it on a grand scale in front of everyone and making a mockery of the law-abiding citizens of the USA.

So? This still doesn't make your random story any more or less true. It doesn't give Kyle a reason to shoot people based on a whim because he thinks they might be stealing. That's dumb as hell.

Roger Ramjets brought forward a posting saying that he objects to 'looting' done by politicians, but that's another topic, having nothing to do with Kyle Rittenhouse.

Then why discuss it? Move on.

 

[webfusion]

palgue311, you probably should be getting back to your job, family, things to do, instead of wasting your time with me.

I saw what I saw. As did Kyle. As have many other Americans.
Your demand for 'evidence' is ridiculous.

Shooting looters is going to start becoming a "thing" if that criminal activity continues unabated. That trajectory is quite clear.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/shall-we-shoot-looters

 

[plague311]

palgue311, you probably should be getting back to your job, family, things to do, instead of wasting your time with me.

I did, I am. Also, it's plague311. Misspelling it changes the entirety of the statement.

I saw what I saw. As did Kyle. As have many other Americans.
Your demand for 'evidence' is ridiculous.

No, it's not ridiculous at all. Demanding evidence is exactly what people who are taking a situation seriously do. Especially, and I mean ******* especially, if that outcome would be someone getting shot and killed. Doing it without rock solid evidence is both recklessly irresponsible and stupid.

Shooting looters is going to start becoming a "thing" if that criminal activity continues unabated. That trajectory is quite clear.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/shall-we-shoot-looters

You can try it. Go right ahead. The escalation of violence will continue as bodies, not just those of looters or thieves, start to pile up. Meanwhile there will be no reduction of theft overall, and you urban cowboys will just end up shooting the wrong person. Well, either you or the thieves will end up doing it. Which will result in prison. You feeling emboldened by this is hilarious.

I don't think you understand, most of America laughs at people with this mindset while nervously backing away.

 

[webfusion]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...alls-mayors-statements-outrageous/8830218002/

and

https://www.kktv.com/2021/10/03/officer-involved-shooting-reported-near-citadel-mall-sunday
(shoplifter shot dead)

and

https://www.koco.com/article/shoplifting-turned-shooting-at-northwest-okc-walmart/38310185


and

https://www.chronline.com/stories/s...-security-guard-in-crowded-parking-lot,279833

 

[thaiboxerken]

Thank you for demonstrating some of what is wrong with the gun culture in the USA.

 

[webfusion]

Thank you for demonstrating some of what is wrong with the gun culture in the USA.

All four stories were violent men stopped by other men with their legal weapons.

What is wrong with that?

 

[Segnosaur]

(Note: Walmart loses approximately $3-billion every year as a result of theft!)

What is it you don't believe? That people waltz in and just take what they want and leave, nonchalantly?

What a frickin' stupid straw-man argument.

Nobody is claiming "Theft never occurs". Nobody.

But even if stores lose some of their stock due to shoplifting, etc., the vast majority of people in those stores are there to make legal purchases. The fact that the CVS pharmacy that Rittenhouse was watching (while making his "shooting people" comments) was still open indicates that most people at that store were not stealing, but instead were actually spending their money to receive their product.

Unless Rittenhouse was omniscient, or had some other way to determine someone was stealing, he could not tell if people leaving that store had made legal purchases or not, since most people in stores do not steal.

 

[plague311]

What a frickin' stupid straw-man argument.

Nobody is claiming "Theft never occurs". Nobody.

But even if stores lose some of their stock due to shoplifting, etc., the vast majority of people in those stores are there to make legal purchases. The fact that the CVS pharmacy that Rittenhouse was watching (while making his "shooting people" comments) was still open indicates that most people at that store were not stealing, but instead were actually spending their money to receive their product.

Unless Rittenhouse was omniscient, or had some other way to determine someone was stealing, he could not tell if people leaving that store had made legal purchases or not, since most people in stores do not steal.

Imagine feeling the inherent need to defend wal-mart, target, CVS, etc.'s stock so much that you'd kill another person. Something that not even the employees are asked to do at all.

I can't imagine being like, "Oh my God, those people are stealing from Wal-Mart! I better protect Wal-Mart's bottom line! They barely make any money at all!" *pew pew pew pew* "Gotcha!"

This whole nonsense about protecting your neighborhood, or community, or whatever is ********. It's all about shooting someone and getting away with it.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Have we reached the point where that woman who opened fire on shop lifters at home depot is now an american hero, or would be if she could have hit her damn target.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/12/us/woman-who-shot-at-home-depot-shoplifters-vows-to-never-help-anyone-again.html

 

[webfusion]

ponderingturtle, this thread has kinda drifted into that territory, using the recorded comments of Kyle as a take-off point.
The article you referenced/linked notes that 'Her case, like many others, has sparked a debate over how armed bystanders should respond to violence or crime.'

 

[carlitos]

What is it you don't believe? That people waltz in and just take what they want and leave, nonchalantly?

I literally highlighted the part that I don't believe. Here it is again.

I have witnessed it first-hand at a local Walmart. These 'shoplifters' don't have a care in the world; after loading up their shopping carts, they just push 'em right out the door, looking at the paying customers with an air of contempt and a smirk. (The local Walmart and an oft-robbed/looted Target have both closed their doors for good, deciding that their exposure to such rampant thievery was not worthwhile for them).

I don't believe any of this.

 

[webfusion]

carlitos, go kick rocks.

 

[webfusion]

What a frickin' stupid straw-man argument.

Nobody is claiming "Theft never occurs". Nobody.

But even if stores lose some of their stock due to shoplifting, etc., the vast majority of people in those stores are there to make legal purchases. The fact that the CVS pharmacy that Rittenhouse was watching (while making his "shooting people" comments) was still open indicates that most people at that store were not stealing, but instead were actually spending their money to receive their product.

Unless Rittenhouse was omniscient, or had some other way to determine someone was stealing, he could not tell if people leaving that store had made legal purchases or not, since most people in stores do not steal.

He has eyes.

BTW, the Retail Industry Leaders Association estimated that prior to COVID-19, as much as $68.9-billion worth of products were stolen from retailers in 2019.

However, carlitos simply cannot believe that I witnessed such an incident.
Or, alternatively, he cannot comprehend that stores are closing in response to this activity.
(In San Francisco alone, two dozen Walgreens locations in the city were closed due to crime in the city).

I am not discussing the people who obey the laws.
Instead, I'm pointing to those who don't, and are BLATANT in that regard.
Looters, actually.

There are federal and state laws with provisions for shooting looters and arsonists. This is especially true during natural disasters and civil disorder.

 

[abaddon]

I am not discussing the people who obey the laws.
Instead, I'm pointing to those who don't, and are BLATANT in that regard.
Looters, actually.

Like the 1/6 rioters who blatantly looted the capitol, right?

 

[webfusion]

Like the 1/6 rioters who blatantly looted the capitol, right?

Well, one was shot and killed, so there's that.

 

[plague311]

Well, one was shot and killed, so there's that.

True but she wasn't taking anything, other than one to the chest.

 

[webfusion]

True but she wasn't taking anything, other than one to the chest.

Lt. Michael Byrd has been served with a 'wrongful death' lawsuit by the Ashli Babbitt family for his killing an unarmed woman despite there being no immediate threat or danger to his own life. In other words, she was assassinated by a Federal agent.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/evaluating-police-shooting-ashli-babbitt

Meanwhile, Kyle is considering writing a book about his ‘unorthodox journey into adulthood’ according to his spokesperson.
"He’s a goofy, charming, pragmatist with a very unique, but optimistic, worldview," David Hancock told NEWSWEEK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tenhouse-book-kenosha-wisconsin-b1987511.html

 

[thaiboxerken]

Lt. Michael Byrd has been served with a 'wrongful death' lawsuit by the Ashli Babbitt family for his killing an unarmed woman despite there being no immediate threat or danger to his own life. In other words, she was assassinated by a Federal agent.
https://www.lawfareblog.com/evaluating-police-shooting-ashli-babbitt

Meanwhile, Kyle is considering writing a book about his ‘unorthodox journey into adulthood’ according to his spokesperson.
"He’s a goofy, charming, pragmatist with a very unique, but optimistic, worldview," David Hancock told NEWSWEEK.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...tenhouse-book-kenosha-wisconsin-b1987511.html

Both of these articles do not dictate reality. A lawsuit is juts a claim of wrongful doing by another party and can be for any reason. Kyle's demeanor during an interview has nothing to do with his killing of innocent people.

The reality is that Ashli was shot because she was part of a mob that was actively trying to hunt and kill people.

Kyle killed people because he wanted the thrill of it.