Ed Olympic swimmers may have lied about being robbed

iknownothing said:
On TMZ, they're saying the swimmers were causing damage to the gas station, and either a) the security guard pulled a gun and demanded they pay for damages, or b) the manager asked them to pay and they did:

U.S. Swimmers -- They Damaged Gas Station, Guard Forced Them to Pay Up
http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/18/team-usa-swimmers-ryan-lochte-gas-station-security-guard
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I just heard the same on the radio. Apparently there is video.

That has to be the most drunk-bro thing ever: turn a bathroom stall door into an international legal mess.

Gold medals all around if this is true.
 
Maybe there wasn't a transgender bathroom available, and the swimmers were overcome with social injustice and damaged the "men's" or "women's" bathroom as payback. ;)
 
GlennB said:
It's a sports-related thread, so I'd like to admire your goalpost shift there.

Your claim was that he wouldn't be doing drugs as he's a top athlete in the competitive phase of his life. But Phelps's bong thing was just a few months after he'd snaffled a bunch of golds at Beijing and was taking a break, so why not these guys?

Meanwhile:

15 Athletes Who Didn’t Let Drugs Get In The Way Of Their Success

An easy google search will find you hundreds of similar examples, plus scholarly articles such as:

Substance abuse rates among athletes
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Your cherry picking does not shift my goal posts. You seem to be missing a denominator for how common illicit drug use is among Olympic athletes. It remains very low on the list of likely explanations whereas corrupt cops are the norm in Latin America, not the exception.

There's new information, they possibly stopped at a gas station and either caused some damage in the bathroom or something else happened to cause the gas station to call the police who arrived and demanded money. In the US that would be called a shakedown. In Latin America it is called business as usual for the police.

Lochte may very well have considered it a robbery. He may also have not been truthful about what happened. And it still makes no sense the judge's involvement with two possible options: investigating corrupt cops, or, in the end, the swimmers will have to pay more bribes claimed to be legal expenses in order to leave the country, also a very common occurrence in Latin America.
 
iknownothing said:
On TMZ, they're saying the swimmers were causing damage to the gas station, and either a) the security guard pulled a gun and demanded they pay for damages, or b) the manager asked them to pay and they did:

U.S. Swimmers -- They Damaged Gas Station, Guard Forced Them to Pay Up
http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/18/team-usa-swimmers-ryan-lochte-gas-station-security-guard
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No, no, no, no, no. Haven't you been paying attention?

Skeptic Ginger said:
I can't believe people here are that naive about police norms in Latin America.
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Skeptic Ginger said:
You can say don't know all you want. I say the most likely thing was corrupt police. I posted evidence police in Rio are corrupt. There is no evidence anything else explains the incident.
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:lol2:
 
iknownothing said:
On TMZ, they're saying the swimmers were causing damage to the gas station, and either a) the security guard pulled a gun and demanded they pay for damages, or b) the manager asked them to pay and they did:

U.S. Swimmers -- They Damaged Gas Station, Guard Forced Them to Pay Up
http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/18/team-usa-swimmers-ryan-lochte-gas-station-security-guard
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Drunk makes sense. The story makes sense. When did they report the robbery to the police? I thought the only report was Lochte's public statement.

Guns are all over Rio, that's very likely. It's also likely it was cops or a friend with a gun or security with a gun depending on what it takes to run a late night gas station in a crime ridden city. There's every reason for any of those scenarios including the gas station owner lying that it wasn't the police.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You can say don't know all you want. I say the most likely thing was corrupt police. I posted evidence police in Rio are corrupt. There is no evidence anything else explains the incident.
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At that time there was no other evidence, and as I said, Occam's Razor, seeking illicit drugs or prostitutes was much less likely than corrupt cops.

It's still apparent more than a few posters on this thread remain naive about the police corruption in Latin America. I posted evidence backing up the fact that is very much true in Rio.

No one has posted evidence, including personal experience, that police shakedowns are uncommon. Any time police are called or get involved, cash payments almost always occur. Any time you are arrested you will have to pay money to someone to get out of jail.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's still apparent more than a few posters on this thread remain naive about the police corruption in Latin America. I posted evidence backing up the fact that is very much true in Rio.
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It's also still apparent that at least one poster on this thread has a very bad case of Olympic athlete hero worship.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
No one has posted evidence, including personal experience, that police shakedowns are uncommon. Any time police are called or get involved, cash payments almost always occur. Any time you are arrested you will have to pay money to someone to get out of jail.
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No one needed to produce this evidence.
All anyone pointed out to you was the discrepancies between their story and the facts as known at the time. And that these seemed to point to them lying about something...
 
http://www.tmz.com/2016/08/18/team-usa-swimmers-ryan-lochte-gas-station-security-guard
That's when the gas station's armed security guard rolled up, pulled his gun and demanded they pay for the damage. We're told he did take money from the swimmers, but only to cover the expenses, and then let them go.

Rio police say the gas station manager tells a slightly different story -- claiming the guard never pulled the gun and the manager merely asked them to pay, which they did.
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Is this legal in Rio? Probably not. :)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...uestioning-swimmer-changes-robbery-story.html
A official says the guard was armed with a pistol, but he never took it out or pointed it at the swimmers
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That is good.

Lochte has insisted he stands by his version of events, telling NBC’s Matt Lauer he really was robbed in a phone conversation but changed his story to say that a gun was never pointed at his head and that fake police did not side-swipe the cab he and his friends were in to get them to pull over.
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That is never good. Never give a statement you can't stand by.
 
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Dr. Keith said:
I just heard the same on the radio. Apparently there is video.

That has to be the most drunk-bro thing ever: turn a bathroom stall door into an international legal mess.

Gold medals all around if this is true.
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I've been waiting for a reasonable explanation to fall out and suddenly I remember moments of being 23. This would explain much. No other explanations satisfy enough of the known facts, plausible and testable conditions.

But suddenly, reading the phrase "drunk-bro thing" I'm remembering the side mirror of a very expensive car somehow ending up in my hands, not connected to the car by its bones but hanging from its nerves and veins.
 
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Jrrarglblarg said:
I've been waiting for a reasonable explanation to fall out and suddenly I remember moments of being 23. This would explain much. No other explanations satisfy enough of the known facts, plausible and testable conditions.
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Lochte is 32, not 23.

Now is your chance to say that the age doesn't really matter.
 
William Parcher said:
Lochte is 32, not 23.

Now is your chance to say that the age doesn't really matter.
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No, now is when I say I can't control what age I was when I did a dumb drunk thing that could easily have lead to a confrontation where someone demanded cash on the spot. I was also in England where a) cops aren't routinely on the take as they are in developing nations and b) a cop wouldn't have had a gun anyway, so that's different too. And I'm not an Olympic anything, even drinker.

Also, I managed to do some drunk things at 32. It happens. Alcohol makes people stupid, clumsy, and prone to poor judgement. It makes stupid things seem really important.
 
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The gas station is owned by corrupt police. They use a very fragile and dirt-cheap door on the bathroom. It's always locked and the slightest pull causes it to all fall apart. Then the owners (corrupt cops) approach and demand payment. They got $400 from the swimmers, but the door only costs $6 to replace. They actually have a stockpile of these doors in a storage room at the gas station. Police corruption robbery and a gun was always present to make sure the payoff happens.

Ginger wins.
 
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