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Official - Michael Jackson was scum

cullennz said:
Not really.

Just another Savile, Rolph Harris and Glitter whose people ignored the obvious
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No...mang.

The Neverland Ranch with Ultimate Kiddie Park and Hideaway bedrooms coupled with the Peter-Pan Plastic Surgery are Waaaaaaaay beyond Obvious!

Reality Distortion Field.
 
Sleeping with little boys who aren't related to h doesn't pass boundaries
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Adults allowing children to sleep with them has been happening since we all lived in caves. It is a little odd, when the child isn't related, but I've been in enough foster homes to know it happens -and sometimes the children are preteens.

I can imagine that ranch was a wild place for a kid to be. Wild like a circus -the same parade of adventure and wonderment and luxury that is breathtaking during the day can become the source of anxiety and stress at night.

In a house that huge, I can imagine a small child thinking anything might be living there, hiding in the closets or camping in the basements. I'm not at all surprised if more than one decided to go find an adult -MJ or anyone else- to sleep with.

We all like to pretend that because our own children sleep in our own homes and only crawl into bed with us, that anything outside those norms is weird and evil, but in fact, it happens all the time. It just doesn't usually make the damn news.
 
cullennz said:
You mean the alleged 200 million in payouts
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Quit just saying that. Offer the evidence/articles you're sourcing it from. So far, you're zero for one. The Herald article is a re-hashing of a tabloid piece from Radar Online who are one of a family of scurrilous publications owned by American Media.

The "evidence" is the evidence shown at the trial. The "source" is the team of the D.A. and his prosecutor, who have made a cottage industry of smearing Jackson after they got their asses handed to them in court.

Please stop repeating gossip. Several of us are familiar with the case and would be happy to address specific points.
 
DragonLady said:
Adults allowing children to sleep with them has been happening since we all lived in caves. It is a little odd, when the child isn't related, but I've been in enough foster homes to know it happens -and sometimes the children are preteens.

I can imagine that ranch was a wild place for a kid to be. Wild like a circus -the same parade of adventure and wonderment and luxury that is breathtaking during the day can become the source of anxiety and stress at night.

In a house that huge, I can imagine a small child thinking anything might be living there, hiding in the closets or camping in the basements. I'm not at all surprised if more than one decided to go find an adult -MJ or anyone else- to sleep with.

We all like to pretend that because our own children sleep in our own homes and only crawl into bed with us, that anything outside those norms is weird and evil, but in fact, it happens all the time. It just doesn't usually make the damn news.
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Yeah...but with MJ? I mean, once a kid hopped into bed with him, then it was "Sausage Time"!

Like a game, I bet the Kid even got a card that read:

"GO TO SAUSAGE TOWN: Go directly to SAUSAGE TOWN. Do not pass Kiddieland. Do not collect A TOY." (sort of like the Game "Monopoly" that way)
 
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DragonLady said:
Adults allowing children to sleep with them has been happening since we all lived in caves. It is a little odd, when the child isn't related, but I've been in enough foster homes to know it happens -and sometimes the children are preteens.

I can imagine that ranch was a wild place for a kid to be. Wild like a circus -the same parade of adventure and wonderment and luxury that is breathtaking during the day can become the source of anxiety and stress at night.

In a house that huge, I can imagine a small child thinking anything might be living there, hiding in the closets or camping in the basements. I'm not at all surprised if more than one decided to go find an adult -MJ or anyone else- to sleep with.

We all like to pretend that because our own children sleep in our own homes and only crawl into bed with us, that anything outside those norms is weird and evil, but in fact, it happens all the time. It just doesn't usually make the damn news.
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With strangers?
 
cullennz said:
With strangers?
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He was an internationally known superstar.
They were living in his house.
He was a father.
He had a huge family of his own.

I'm sure he didn't seem like a stranger to the kids involved. Far less so than many foster parents.
 
Awesome. Dude sleeps with little boys. Has pictures of pre-pubescent boys as art and spends millions paying off acusations of molestation.

But it is all just a misunderstanding
 
cullennz said:
Awesome. Dude sleeps with little boys. Has pictures of pre-pubescent boys as art and spends millions paying off acusations of molestation.

But it is all just a misunderstanding
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CT forums are that way--->.

Cry me a river in the *********** Crimea! The evidence is where... exactly?
 
cullennz said:
Have you ever justified the pay outs?
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If I were facing prison, I'd be willing to pay out, too. Whether I was guilty or not. I mostly have faith in our justice system, but not enough to put my future on the line if money will make the problem go away.

I do believe that as wealthy as he was, he could've done far worse than what he was accused of -and gotten away with it without any consequences at all- just by surrounding himself with people who were like minded, and by going outside the USA. But he did neither.

I see the payouts as being "Yes; I'm rich. Yes, you're a pain in my ass. Yes; no good deed (such as letting you live in my home, and eat my food) goes unpunished. Yes; I will pay you to go far, far, far away now."

Not as an admission of guilt or a way to cleanse a conscious.

If he had child pornography in his closet, he would've been charged for it. That would not have required a parade of testimony from people who were plagued with their own credibility problems.

"We raided. We found this. Case closed."

Instead, the whole thing turned into a shark feeding frenzy that made a lot of people very famous and very wealthy, all at the expense of a very naïve and eccentric entertainer who had spent his entire life insulated by wealth from ever having to consider how his actions could be perceived by those who wanted to hang him just so they could catch the loose change from his pockets.
 
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He had some of the best group of lawyers in the world yet paid millions in hush money.

You do the math
 
It's easy for me to believe MJ was a pedo. Because he was weird in the way I'd prefer pedos be to make them easier to spot. Plus, I like the idea that someone rich and famous would have a fatal hidden flaw capable of knocking them off the pedestal.

None of these psychological biases require much in the way of evidence. I didn't know the dude, he's just a cardboard cut-out celebrity to me. It's not like the character traits I'm imputing are any less accurate than some other PR mish-mash observed from afar. "He's creepy" fills the bill as well as anything else.
 
cullennz said:
He had some of the best group of lawyers in the world yet paid millions in hush money.

You do the math
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Paying off nuisance law suits is actually a very common practice as defending them in court can often cost more than a pay off does. It is no more an admission of guilt than pleading the 5th.
 
"He's creepy" fills the bill as well as anything else.
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I think a lot of the perceived creepiness came from all the surgeries and health problems after he was burned.

The media was constantly showing images of his appearance and evidence of the multiple surgeries, speculating about his skin tone and making light of him wearing a mask when he was out in public -all while seemingly forgetting the man was badly injured.

Of course, it's easy to completely forget his charity work, too.
 
PhantomWolf said:
Paying off nuisance law suits is actually a very common practice as defending them in court can often cost more than a pay off does. It is no more an admission of guilt than pleading the 5th.
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So he had no sense of justice
 
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