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Official - Michael Jackson was scum

TragicMonkey said:
During his criminal trial? You're not just unfamiliar with the case, you're unfamiliar with how law works. You can't "settle" with the prosecution to exclude evidence of the thing they're trying to convict you of!
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The private accusations
 
cullennz said:
Then why did he pay them off?
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He didn't. His insurance company did, against his wishes. Again, there are several excellent write-ups of the case done afterward, minus the media frenzy. What was reported was the salacious, ratings-friendly accusations. What was not reported was how all the accusations fell apart on cross-examination. A typical problem when all the witnesses have prior perjury convictions, and evidence is brought in of their other extortion attempts on other targets.

But I suspect I'm wasting my time. You've decided Jackson must have been guilty and will not consider anything, including the mountain of evidence that got him off in the trial.
 
Denver said:
It was during this trial that I first became aware of Nancy Grace. She was so sure, so positive, of his guilt, and I just never got why.

And then we learned of the evidence and the verdict.

I've never seen a reason to watch her again since.
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My wife used to watch her. According to Nancy, there's never been an innocent defendant in the entire history of jurisprudence. Except for cops charged with crimes; all of them were innocent.
 
cullennz said:
Because he had a group of some of the best and most expensive lawyers in the US saying it was art and to go settle for a pay off
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You're just proving you have no idea what you're talking about. If the authorities believed the images were child porn they absolutely would have charged him with that. There would have been nobody to pay off (unless you want to say that the authorities were corrupt).
 
The way MJ was treated has always saddened me. From being his family's cash cow to the horrific burns and subsequent surgeries to the child abuse allegations, the man had it rough.

I really doubt he ever did anything really wrong. He was eccentric for sure, and might've had quite a few boundary issues, but I never saw any real evidence presented that he was the monster the media portrayed him to be. I wasn't surprised he was acquitted, but I was surprised no one ever just let it go and moved on.

Until he died. Then suddenly he wasn't "Jacko" anymore, but rather a talented celebrity darling to be given every measure of respect. Far too late for him to appreciate a moment's worth.
 
Denver said:
It was during this trial that I first became aware of Nancy Grace. She was so sure, so positive, of his guilt, and I just never got why.
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My guess is, because of the highly suggestive evidence of pedophilia the investigation revealed. Evidence of pedophilia isn't the same as evidence a particular child was molested; but Nancy Grace seems to be a loyal subscriber to the "where there's smoke, there's probably fire" philosophy.
 
DragonLady said:
The way MJ was treated has always saddened me. From being his family's cash cow to the horrific burns and subsequent surgeries to the child abuse allegations, the man had it rough.

I really doubt he ever did anything really wrong. He was eccentric for sure, and might've had quite a few boundary issues, but I never saw any real evidence presented that he was the monster the media portrayed him to be. I wasn't surprised he was acquitted, but I was surprised no one ever just let it go and moved on.

Until he died. Then suddenly he wasn't "Jacko" anymore, but rather a talented celebrity darling to be given every measure of respect. Far too late for him to appreciate a moment's worth.
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He probably did have a horrible childhood.

He also messed with little boys
 
cullennz said:
He also messed with little boys
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Evidence?

Because a multi-milliondollar prosecution couldn't find any. They even tried to manufacture some but it didn't work. So I'm certain that a great skeptic like yourself has much better evidence for this claim. Because if you didn't, you would just be airing a completely baseless opinion you formed from consuming media reports.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Evidence?

Because a multi-milliondollar prosecution couldn't find any. They even tried to manufacture some but it didn't work. So I'm certain that a great skeptic like yourself has much better evidence for this claim. Because if you didn't, you would just be airing a completely baseless opinion you formed from consuming media reports.
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The private cases obviously could or he wouldn't have paid millions in shut up money
 
He also messed with little boys
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Evidence?

I followed the story pretty closely from day one, and found myself arguing against a tide 'til I just couldn't speak about it at all anymore.

But never once did I see anything that convinced me he was guilty of anything except being eccentric and a handy target for those who wanted to imagine ways to channel his wealth into their own pockets.
 
cullennz said:
The private cases obviously could or he wouldn't have paid millions in shut up money
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Including the case where the accuser recanted afterward?

You are determined to believe Jackson guilty, aren't you? Does an attachment to a theory, with no evidence, and a refusal to examine the evidence and consider other points of view seem skeptical to you?

You won't even read that link I posted.

Your "obvious" finding is a feeling, not a rational assessment of the facts.
 
cullennz said:
He probably did have a horrible childhood.

He also messed with little boys
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But did he? That's what's not so certain. One can say he might have, and one can say that he would have liked to, but might have is not did, and liked to is not did. There were plenty of people who really seem to have been invested in proving that he did certain things, but they lost.

I'm willing to say that Jackson was not my kind of guy. That he was weird and creepy and any number of other things. We can even speculate about what he would have liked to do if he thought he could. But it is unseemly to say he did things that there is no reliable evidence that he did. You can say he pushed right up to the edge of the boundaries, but if he did not cross them, then you can't say he did. That's what boundaries are.
 
bruto said:
But did he? That's what's not so certain. One can say he might have, and one can say that he would have liked to, but might have is not did, and liked to is not did. There were plenty of people who really seem to have been invested in proving that he did certain things, but they lost.

I'm willing to say that Jackson was not my kind of guy. That he was weird and creepy and any number of other things. We can even speculate about what he would have liked to do if he thought he could. But it is unseemly to say he did things that there is no reliable evidence that he did. You can say he pushed right up to the edge of the boundaries, but if he did not cross them, then you can't say he did. That's what boundaries are.
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Sleeping with little boys who aren't related to h doesn't pass boundaries
 
cullennz said:
Forgive me if already posted

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11661948
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Michael Jackson was a Bad Guy....he was the Scum that you assert.

Nevertheless, I am in awe of Jackson's ability to take pedophilia to an Art Form that would make the Roman Emperor Caligula Jealous without anyone seriously blowing the whistle on him. I mean, I just can't imagine the Mind Control Jackson must have exerted on his Family, Friends, Parents, Victims, Doctors and Bodyguards while all this was going on. Jackson must have possessed a Reality Distortion Field (RDF) that made the Steve Jobs Reality Distortion Field (RDF) pale in comparison...or even Charlie Manson's RDF!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field

Seriously...MJ was one Mind-Controlling Dude.
 
Several people have "blown the whistle" on Jackson. The criminal trial failed to prove he was guilty of molesting one alleged victim; but are you unaware that two separate lawsuits by two different men accusing Jackson of molesting them as children are presently outstanding against Jackson's estate?
 
Not really.

Just another Savile, Rolph Harris and Glitter whose people ignored the obvious
 
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